"Explorers are driving and flying so fast they can't watch out for these things"

You missed "flying so high they can't actually SEE ANYTHING on the ground, 2.5 km below and are actually LOOKKING for skyboxes to harass and fraudulently abuse report".

As I once asked in a thread started by one of these people...

"How, exactly do you check the names of the animation files, in the contents tab, of the edit window, for somebody else's furniture, in their skybox, 4000m up, while exploring their parcel against their wishes?"

I NEVER did get an answer to that question... Go figure...

Zalificent Corvinus And you probably never will because those types of explorers love invading other people's property under the guise of exploring. I had so much fun exploring and staying on the designated paths and waterways I was allowed to be on, and I didn't have time to click on anyone's furniture or check the files because I had to control my boat and keep an eye on the radar so I didn't go off the public waterway into someone's parcel.

I cannot for the life of me figure out how they manage to do all that when they're supposed to be passing through quickly as to not bother the parcel owner. Unless they're stopping and looking through people's things.

Eowyn Southmoor I would actually love to see something like this implemented. I would also like to see just how bad this issue really is. I bet we wont see as many ban lines and orbs as some people say.

Clem Marques yep, I have a feeling that if they pull/nerf privacy tools, there will be an exodus either from mainland or SL entirely. Those vehicle enthusiasts will only have their own builds to look at and regions and regions of emptiness. Then they'll want access to private regions, too.

Clem Marques it's a good way to get Mainland repopulated by people with a sense of community spirit and for SL to be a friendly place.

You need to stop thinking that people who explore SL are homeless vagrants.

Rizzy Khaos Communities can get together and share a parcel, fully paying for its tier, and do whatever they want with it, instead of trying to impose their worldview onto several continents of Mainland owned and paid for by different people who might completely disagree with their ideas.

Their land, their rules.

Your land, your rules.

Mainland and parcel ejection abilities are fine the way they currently are. No need to change that. Many paying customers would be severely displeased if things were suddenly altered.

Rizzy Khaos The sense of community you're trying to build is a Home Owners Association, which only exists to control what their neighbors can and can't do, and is resented by people unfortunate enough to live in an HOA.

Jaydoge Resident And judging from what people do in SL, I'm not surprised why HOAs are needed even if I hate them.

Clem Marques No resident owns land in SL.

You're renting virtual land from Linden Labs.

Lets get this clear.

Linden Labs owns all the Land (including private sims)

The the TOS of these lands are open to change at LL's discretion without prior notice, Take for example the recent covenant added to remind you of this very fact as when HDR textures come out you and you can't see your green grass they've had their butts covered.

If linden labs decides to make mainland a place that is more friendly and open and you feel the need to revoke your land or end your subscription, there will be many others, like myself, who will happily populate mainland, pay the annual sub (which I already do) and make SL's mainland a friendlier and safer place for people to explore and find new venues to hangout in.

Rizzy Khaos Good luck with that, is all I'll say.

Rizzy Khaos HOAs were created to keep people of color and sometimes non-christians out of white neighborhoods. They exist only to line the pockets of wealthy home owners who also want to police their neighbors and steal their property if those home owners don't give into their demands. HOAs are not a good thing and never have been. We don't need SL HOAs running roughshod over people's rights to privacy on their own parcels they pay for.

Tactical UwU they are not touching private sims. This is just for mainland

I agree; we have suffered so much harassment and grief etc on some of our Mainland parcels. Learnt the hard way that security orbs are absolutely required and already set with a few seconds delay before ejecting.

Wynter Serenade "it may allow someone to do something unwanted by or to a parcel owner or allowed resident"

A solution for this is to disable the avatar touching / accessing everything -- except their vehicle and their HUD -- after they have been ejected. So the avatar just floats there for several seconds unable to interact with anything in the parcel.

This is enforceable server-side rather than client-side, so even griefers using customized viewers cannot do anything.

Wynter Serenade. Being able to have all banlines appear on the mini-map would be an incredible help. Would it be possible to show an entire sim's banlines upon entry into the sim? I know there are huds available for this but that adds script count and lag (and when flying you are often half way through the sim before the scripts have scanned the sim). Good idea!

Jaydoge Resident As you feel that way, you won't mind being banned on every parcel and Sim I have mod rights on. There are quite a few. Oh and don't ever get a Linden home. You don't have the rights you claim there.

Crim Mip Feel free to ban me from your parcels, I don't trespass on other people's property without an invite so I wouldn't show up to begin with. Threatening to ban me from a place just because I expressed my desire to keep my personal space private is a wild take, especially wild coming from someone I enjoyed going on Trail Rides with all those years ago. This level of entitlement to someone else's space is deeply concerning.

Tonya Souther Because it's their land, you infringing on their parcel hurts them.... somehow. I dont know.

I have a parcel in Mainland, i honestly dont care if someone invades my home when im not around.

When Im around and I need privacy time with my partner, then if anyone invades I'll ask them to leave or if it comes down to it, manually eject them.

But if I'm not around, why does it matter if someone flies over my parcel or god forbids explores and looks around in my parcel?

"How, exactly, does my flying over your parcel at 100 meters above ground level harm you?"

Sorry but no, you people keep claiming you do no harm, but then we see your threads on the forums.

One thread was aa Vehicle Vagrant, claiming that while "innocently exploring" 100 m off the ground, they "accidentally" cammed 4 km up into a skybox, "accidentally" right clicked on a furniture item, "accidentally" selected the content panel, and "accidentally scrolled through the several hundred animation files "accidentally" looking for file names that might suggest "rude non pg-anims". Then asked if they should AR the furniture owner for having smutty furniture in their skybox 4km up.

Another "innocent explorer" created a thread in which they admitted they entered aa parcel with intent to "buzz the roof of the house", got caught by the orb, punted and added to the ban lit. They then admitted they returned to the parcel, and IM'd the owner to DEMAND unbanning and the removal of ban lines and orb because "Vehicle Vagrants Uber Alles Zeig Heil". They were told no, very firmly.

Then they demanded on the Forum that Vehicle Vagrants on a vehicle should be granted the "Right" to IGNORE being banned by name and enter AANY parcel they had been blacklisted from.

When SANE people stated in their replies that such a change would be welcomed by griefers, ignore a ban by sitting on aa scripted plywood cube, people like YOU tried shouting them down until the thread was locked.

"In RL, a homeowner cannot stop aircraft from flying over their land as long as they follow the rules about altitude and distance from objects on the ground. "

In RL, typical altitudes for commercial flights is 5000m - 10000m. Some places cannot be overflown at all, doing so gets you an escort of a fighter jet, and warnings that non compliance will result in you being shot down. Breaking Aviation authority rules may result in you losing your pilots licence, and NEVER be allowed to fly again.

"Flying it, and flying it well, takes work and accomplishment, and is quite rewarding when you get it right."

Make your minds up people, either you are skilled pilots, more than capable of flying around parcels where you are not welcome, OR, you are talentless bunglers who cant steer worth a damn and always crash into parcels where you are not wanted.

You can't have it both ways.

"you infringing on their parcel hurts them.... somehow. I dont know. "

"But if I'm not around, why does it matter if someone flies over my parcel or god forbids explores and looks around in my parcel?"

Like mot people, constraints of FirstLife mean I CANNOT be on-line and active 24/7/52 There are limits to my time in SecondLife.

If, when I log in, I find a bunch of Privacy Hating Griefer Trash, partying on my land, the time II have to WASTE pointlessly ASKING then to sod off ( they won't because they assume what's MINE is THEIRS because REASSONS ) and then MANUALLY punting them ONE by ONE and ADDING them to the Ban List, eats into MY available on-line time.

So instead I AUTOMATE the process, with a Security system that auto punts and auto bans Privacy Hating Griefer Trash.

You nonsense argument is like claiming that RL home owners can manually fight intruders when they get home so they shouldn't be allowed to have locks on the doors and windows, intruder alarms, or fences, because "It's so unfair to home invader criminal trash".

Breaking News:

Home owners DO NOT CARE about the NON-rights of Criminal Trash, nor should they.

Zalificent Corvinus I wish there was a laugh react so I can laugh react to your replies.

Zalificent Corvinus When I fly a little airplane in RL - you know, single engine, two seats, unpressurized - it's not at 10000 meters AGL (above ground level). More like a thousand, oftentimes, or lower: the minimum altitude in the US over congested areas is 1000 feet above any obstacles. That's just as legal, and just as protected, as the A380 going halfway around the world.

And those restricted and prohibited areas you mention are documented on aviation charts, published well in advance. The temporary ones are documented in NOTAMs (Notices to Air MIssions) that pilots are required to check before every flight. Very, very few of them extend more than a few thousand feet above the surface. Even P-56, the prohibited area that includes the White House, the Capitol, the National Mall, and the Vice President's residence at the Naval Observatory, only extends up to 18,000 feet. There's enough documentation that an RL pilot can easily plan his flight to avoid them.

Let me explain this in words of a syllable or less, since you seem unable to grasp it: We can fly around parcels where we are not welcome !!!!

If I don't know your parcel is blocked until I bump into the ban line, that's far, far too late. I just tested this inworld. Neither the ban line nor the red splotch on the minimap appears until I am literally blocked from entering the parcel.

That's my whole point: Fundamentally, I don't care if you want to keep people from overflying your land. But tell me about it IN ADVANCE so I can honor your wish!

Aircraft do not turn on a dime. There's this little thing called inertia. It takes time to make a turn, and during that time, the aircraft does not stop moving. It can take most of a sim to make a 90-degree turn. That's because a fixed-wing airplane can only turn so fast, and has a minimum speed at which it must move lest it not get enough lift and fall out of the sky.

I can't help idiots who file ARs when they're unwarranted. But don't tar all of us with that broad brush - at least a sim wide - you're wielding.

Rizzy Khaos I have two homes on mainland, one in Zindra, one not. The one in Zindra has a 15-second orb on it because the parcel used to be a club and people keep popping in expecting to find it. The orb tells them that the parcel is now a private residence and they should delete any old landmarks pointing to it. But it's set to eject, not TP home, and doesn't auto-ban or anything like that.

The one elsewhere has no orbs or ban lines or anything else. Not only do I not care if people visit, I welcome them. (In no small part because I hope they'll rent one of the nearby cottages from me, but I digress.)

IMAO, anyone who thinks I'm invading their privacy by flying from point A to point B at 100 meters or more AGL for the 10 seconds or so it might take me to cross their parcel is being too paranoid. If I were LL, I'd implement the equivalent of US Federal Aviation Regulation 91.119 (the one that sets minimum altitudes) on mainland and call it a day. But I'm not, they didn't, and here we are.

"In RL, the overflight height is 5000 m."

No. You can find the actual rule for the US and other places where the FAA makes the rules at 14 CFR 91.119: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-91/subpart-B/subject-group-ECFRe4c59b5f5506932/section-91.119

The closest analogue to SL (and the most restrictive rule) is paragraph (b), which says:

"Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."

It's my job to know this when I'm acting as a pilot in RL, and even more so when I'm exercising my privileges as certificated flight instructor (CFI), teaching others to fly.

I'm not just talking through my hat when I talk about RL flying. I've been there and done that and taught others to as well. You, OTOH, appear to know very little about RL aviation, and that calls into question your knowledge about aviation in general in SL as well.

And I'll guaran-damn-tee you there are far more than 30 pilots in SL.

Shergood Aviation isn't the FAA. They can only publish what is reported to them, and their charts don't carry the force of law like the FAA's do. They're a , not regulatory, and Kelly Shergood can't publish an orb she doesn't know about.

Look, I don't want to bully my way into your home. On the other hand, it's clear to me that you're not going to reasonably coexist with people who pursue interests you care nothing for - and you can't argue reasonably without name-calling, something I've studiously avoided - so I'm going to consider you an obstacle to be worked around. I'll happily avoid your parcel, but don't complain at me if I discover where it is by trying to fly through it that first time, because

If you are going to quote me, do it right...

In SL, overflight height is 5000 m

Are there more than 30 pilots in SL, hell yes, are all of them privacy hating griefer trash, hell no, are all the ones who entered my parcel at 2500m griefer trash, hell yes, did the non griefer trash pilot enter my parcel, hell no.

Where are this majority of non griefer trash pilots? Probably out over the intercontintal maritime sims, or flying along roads and rail lines, or in Belli.

Where are the Obvious Griefer Trash minority, the Vehicle Vagrants, trying to bully their way in where they are not wanted.

Shergood Aviation are not the FAA, how true, as for their "service", they changed the course of one of their recommended routes to deliberately pass through a defended parcel, which has had an orb for several years, more than enough time for some of the alleged "legitimate explorers" you go on about to have reported said orb.

The Shergood Griefer Trash Attack Map is designed to send people like you into defended parcels to create anti home owner drama.

A for "no other way to find out", well that's down to clueless, worthless, loudmouthed moron demanding that LL NERFED banline visibility and red parcel minimap displays because "it breaks mah immersion when exploring and they are ugly".

You people did that to your selves, because of over-entitled stupidity. You thought you didn't NEED to see banlines because you assumed LL would grant you the "Right to Trespass" a decade and aa half ago.

Zalificent Corvinus I did quote you, straight from the message you posted and then deleted - and which is still in my email inbox.

And that 5000m height in SL only applies to named bans.

The entire point of flying is that you don't to follow roads and rail lines and canals. If I wanted to follow a road, I'd drive.

I'd happily sign up for a slider to control the distance of ban line/banned parcel visibility. Won't help the zero-second orb or no-object-entry problems, though.

And really, now, would you stop assuming everyone else is arguing in bad faith? It makes it awfully hard to assume good faith on your part. Were I a less charitable sort, I might argue that your attitude is enough to annoy people into bothering you.

For what it's worth, I don't use the SA map, largely because it's usually behind the times. So I don't know where your parcel is or how an approach path would take me through it.

I assume Vehicle Vagrant always act in bad faith because every time one opens their mouth, it' obvious that they are acting in bad faith.

Vehicle Vagrant posts on the Forum, demanding the "Right to Ignore a Named Ban if on aa Vehicle" after getting aa named ban for harasing a land owner.

Another who claimed that prim build owned by accounts from 2008 or earlier should be protected, while MESSH builds by "noobs" who joined AFTER 2008 should be bulldozed if the "noob" didn't log in as often as the Vehicle Vagrant liked, or used the parcel ass a private residence, so as to clear vast tracts of abandoned mainland for Vehicle Vagrant to "explore".

Several Vehicle Vagrants have demanded that security devices shouldn't be allowed to BAN intruders, so they can keep trying to bully their way into places they are unwelcome, the "Right to commit ToS violating Harassment".

One of the Vehicle Vagrant trash in this discussion argued that "aircraft have a Right to Fly because that's what they are made for ", while neglecting to mention that he's a merchant trying to sell aircraft, and his ole reason for trying to destroy peoples privacy is lining his own greedy over-entitled pockets.

Another Vehicle Vagrant demanded that I un-banned them, added them to the orbs guest list AND... Made them a member of MY private Land Group so they could use MY spare Land Impact allowance to build THEIR emergency air field on MY land, because "obviously, as a rich Vehicle Vagrant with two luxury homes in expensive areas and a 'Bona Fide Traveller', they DESERVED to demand that I bend my knee and bow my head to them.

Another demanded that I pay them money to compensate them for the "passenger fee" they lost as a "commercial pilot", despite the fact that they didn't have any passengers. They were the only person added to the ban lit that day. They also threatened to get me banned from every airport and seaport in SL, a threat that doesn't bother me, and to get all their friends in the infamous para-military ToS violating Harassment club known as the "Second Life Coast Guard", of which they were a member, to subject me to a harassment campaign. The orb punted and banned about 10 of those trash.

Bad Faith is all you people ever come out with. Of course I assume you are all acting in Bad Faith. It's all you people ever do.

Zalificent Corvinus I didn't think that anyone could make an object bigger than 256 meters wide, even with an old megaprim...but your broad brush is at least double that.

It's clear to me that you bring this on yourself, since your stand is so totally unreasonable. Hint: no, you don't get to control what other people do with their property, just as I don't get to control what you do with yours. That includes unreasonably making their property useless.

Personally, I'm going to start advocating for banning security orbs from adding to parcel ban lists. That should be a manual action, period.

I'm also going to advocate that any parcel with an orb - defined as any object running a script with llEjectFromLand(), llTeleportAgentHome(), or llAddToLandBanList() - be treated by the functions that tell the viewer that a parcel has ban lines that apply to the user the same way.

As for the ToS violations you allege SLCG commits, have you ARd them? If not, then you don't get to complain to the rest of us.

Seriously: If you get so much aggravation and headache from Second Life, why are you still here? Do you simply enjoy giving others problems?

Tonya Souther Kindly don't fly on other people's parcels if you don't want to get ejected or banned from the parcel. Would you walk through your neighbor's house and backyard without their permission? I can tell you right now, you probably wouldn't. Trespassing is illegal, what you guys do on SL is trespassing. Second Life isn't Real Life. Land owners on SL own their air space. You are not entitled to it, you don't pay for it. Consider making a aviation community where all the parcels in that community have owners who are welcome to people flying through their space instead of trying to force your way in on people who don't want you there.

Jaydoge Resident I'll ask you the same question. How is flying through your airspace harming you in any way? I'm not walking through my neighbor's backyard. I'm flying over it well above any ability to look in his windows.

Rules like the one you suggest implicitly will kill aviation in Second Life.

Zalificent Corvinus Wow you sound like the griefer trash you claim others are. Calling normal residents of SL that enjoy flying or sailing, "griefer trash" isn't helping your case any.

Jaydoge Resident We usually don't purposely fly over others property, but it happens sometimes, and the orbs should be bannned. Ban lines should be banned near waterways, and roads. And IF you really want all that privacy, you claim to have in SL so you can virutally do unimaginable things......then go to a private estate sim, and problem solves huh.

Tonya Souther What part of SL isn't RL don't you understand? Just because airspace isn't owned by a home owner irl doesn't mean that's the same case for SL. If you want to fly unrestricted and unrestrained, why don't you all follow the suggestion you keep giving parcel owners on mainland and buy your own private sims side by side and create a traveler's simchain where no one can stop you from flying, driving, and boating where you want, hm? You're not going to turn all of mainland into Belliseria.

Jaydoge Resident Because the magic of aviation - and driving, and sailing, and every other form of exploring in Second Life - is precisely that you're not restricted to a small area, but instead have an entire virtual world to explore.

I truly don't understand why you think it's any skin off your nose to be cooperative and helpful instead of selfish and block your parcel from being traversed - for a very short period of time, in a way that affects you exactly not at all - by others. You called me entitled? I don't think I'm to cross your land - since LL has chosen not to promote immersion by making airspace open - but I do think that not blocking access for brief periods of time all the way up to 5000m altitude is the friendly, neighborly, cooperative thing to do. I don't get cranky when people overfly my land. Why do you?

Tonya Souther Why do you feel entitled to travel through someone else's space when they've made it clear they don't want anyone coming through? You say you don't feel entitled to it, but here you are saying Linden Labs should force everyone to allow trespassing because it's "neighborly" and we're just "cranky" for not cooperating.

It is not selfish to want your parcel to stay private. The people who choose to have banlines are allowed to have them, it's coded into SL to give them the ability to keep people out of their space. Fly where people don't use banlines and security orbs instead of trying to force everyone to give up their right to privacy to allow people unfettered access to their land because you want to explore.

I ride horseback all the time on mainland and private sims, I've never hit a banline or a security orb because I stick to the designated paths and I don't try to go through people's parcels without their permission. It's a very simple and easy concept. If you don't have permission to be there, stay out. End of discussion.

Jaydoge Resident Because I'm trying hard, and failing, to understand why anyone cares that I'm flying through their airspace at an altitude that guarantees I won't see anything they're doing. I truly don't care what you're doing in your house on the ground, or in your skybox.

And if I knew about orbs and banlines in advance, I'd avoid them. As I keep saying and folks on your side of the entitlement line keep ignoring, there's no way for me to know your ban line or orb are there until it's far too late to avoid them. You keep saying "if there's an orb, you're not welcome, keep out". But nobody ever tells me HOW I can do that!

Tonya Souther Because opening up the airspace and/or my parcel border for your innocent I-don't-want-to-cam-you flight means opening up the parcel for everybody in any vehicle on air, land, or sea in any vehicle from bicycle, boat, car, motorcycle, plane, or helicopter. It would open it up to people walking too. I think you are asking parcel paying residents to give up too much for your entitled feeling that you should be able to go anywhere you please at any time you feel like it. Flying a plane in SL comes with some responsibility too. One of those responsibilities is staying off private property.

Cinnamon Mistwood I will be happy to stay off private property if there's a way to find out in time to avoid it. Crashing up against a ban line is no more my idea of fun than anyone else's. While I would prefer that SL be like RL in its land ownership and usage rules, it's not, and there are people who will be bound and determined to block me even though I cause them no harm. C'est la vie.

But I reserve the right to think poorly of someone who uses something I cannot see and avoid, like a zero-second orb, to keep me from doing something that in no way harms them, and to advocate for changes to the system to allow us to coexist in peace.

I will point out that the exception could be narrowly tailored - such as being seated on a vehicle moving at least 5 meters per second, at least 100 meters above or below the closest object - which would answer your objection, if you were to look at it logically instead of "my property, screw you!".

You are NOT my friend, or my neighbour, nor are you cooperative with my desire to keep uninvited over-entitled karens out of my parcel.

Tonya Souther Because it's not your property. We mind people coming onto our property when we didn't invite them there in the first place. It's an incredibly simple concept you're not grasping. I don't want my neighbors coming into my apartment when I'm not home, so I lock the door. I don't want people coming onto my parcel when I'm not home, or at all, so I put up banlines and use security orbs to keep intruders out. Very. Simple. Stuff. You just don't like the answer we're giving you so you keep trying to exhaust us by asking the same question repeatedly in hopes we give in and give up.

You lot cannot be pleased no matter how many times we try to give you some solution that doesn't infringe on the right to privacy parcel owners have. Banlines used to be VERY visible on the minimap, and then explorers complained that it ruined their immersion. So now the same explorers are complaining about not being able to see banlines until they hit them. Nothing pleases yall.

Jaydoge Resident And you folks are still - still! - unable to articulate just how innocent passage harms you.

I'm done arguing. It's clear that your entitlement and selfishness cannot be reasoned with. You're unable to share the world with people who want to enjoy it in ways you don't approve of. The heck with us; you're just going to cling to space you will never use, just because you can.

"You're unable to share the world with people who want to enjoy it in ways you don't approve of."

And here once again the Privacy Hating Vehicle Vagrant Griefer Trash movement shows its true colours.

Your WHOLE worthless strawman based argument hinges on YOU refusing to SHARE Mainland with people who don't want uninvited strangers intruding into their parcels, because you don't approve of peo0ple having ANY semblance of privacy.

This is the HYPOCRISY at the heart of your cause.

You have the whole of the 500+ maritime intercontinental regions, and the whole of Bellicosia, and all the Mainland roads, railways, abandoned land, in which to freely roam.

Thousands of square kilometers of open access, but the mere suggestion that there might be a 4096 sqm parcel you CAN NOT invade drives you into a foaming at the mouth frenzy of over-entitled privacy hating home-invasion fascist fake explorer griefer trash karen-rage, and causes you to spend 20 years spamming the forums with anti home-owner sh*te-posts.

Look in a mirror, then visit your nearest Vehicle Vagrant approved STFU Hub, and take the hint implicit in it's NAME.

Tonya Souther "And you folks are still - still! - unable to articulate just how innocent passage harms you." I did articulate it. Opening parcel borders for you opens them up for everyone whether they are innocently passing through or there to cause problems. Your perceived right to innocently invade others parcels because you want to fly wherever you want, leaves parcel owners with no protection from not-so-innocent invaders. Your right to invade isnt more important than a parcel owners right to peace and privacy. You are demanding free entrance but refusing to see the harm it would cause. It appears that you think only your rights are within reason. Im not here to call you names or attack you for what you want, but I'll turn your words back. I dont understand why you are fighting so hard to open residents up to griefers by taking away their privacy tools. I reserve the right to think poorly of your selfish view that you should have unhindered access to everyone else's parcels everywhere in SL just because you sat in a vehicle.

Tonya Souther We're telling you and you're not listening.

Yes, we're entitled and selfish for wanting to keep our space that we pay for to ourselves. I don't care how travelers enjoy the world outside my parcel so long as they stay out of mine. I don't use the tops of my kitchen cabinets but that doesn't mean some stranger can store their junk there because I'm not using it. Your attempts to justify why we should just allow anyone and everyone to pass through our land are pathetic, same as your attempts to guilt trip and insult us for not giving you, a toddler throwing a tantrum, what you want.

Have the day you deserve.

Purr Waifu Because a lot of the fun of Second Life is exploring, seeing new places, marveling at what others have built.

Tell me: how does my flying over your property 100 meters up harm you in any way? I guarantee that my eyes are looking at the horizon, or the gauges, or a quick glance at the scenery in general. I have neither the time nor the interest to look into your house; if I were to try, the aircraft would likely do something I couldn't recover from. Flying an aircraft that's designed for realism - like the various Shergood Aviation helicopters, the ZSK PA-38 Tomahawk, or the ICE Tech T-700 - demands constant attention and management.

Purr Waifu They won't do that because they'd have to pay for it and decorate it, and that's too much work. They just want access to everything everyone else has made regardless of if they're welcome or not. They'd imminent domain your house because you said no to them coming in and looking at your garden.

Jaydoge Resident I hate to break this to you, but a lot of us who drive, fly and sail OWN parcels over mainland and airports and harbours on mainland get patronage from other users who need a place to store our vehicles when not in used.

Purr Waifu Heres an idea just buy your own estate sim, and be still. We have the ability do fly, and sail, and so we shall, thats what the mainland was made for, was supposed to be comunity. Not a bunch of paranoid pixel ... i won't mention things, that think we can see them doing that. News flash we dont care, what you are doing, and omg eww, we don't want to see that either.

Rizzy Khaos That's nice, didn't ask though. Why don't you guys build maps for people who don't mind you being there instead of trying to force all of mainland to be like Belliseria?

Jaydoge Resident Because the point of Mainland is to be like Belliseria, why dont you go buy a private sim if all you want is to be alone and have absolutely no one find you.

These services exist for a reason.

"Because the point of Mainland is to be like Belliseria"

Once again, you are obviously WRONG.

If Mainland was "meant" to be like Bellicosiaa, they wouldn't have had to BUILD Bellicossia, because Mainland would already be like that.

Mainland exists for people who hate the mind numbing, soul destroying Murica-Burb tedium of Bellicosia, with it's endless vistas of Little Boxes Made of Ticky-Tacky that all look just the same, and are all filled with prod-nose neighbourhood snitch committee Kommunity Kommisars.

And enough with the BS about how only people willing to spend hundreds of $ a month on private estates have a right to punt kick your toxic karen ass out of their homes.

Rizzy Khaos Belliseria is not the blueprint for mainland. I really need all of you to just build a bigger, better Belliseria and leave manlanders who didn't get a mainland parcel to be part of Belliseria. Belliseria is starting to sound like a Home Owners Association from hell and I hope the rest of mainland doesn't become that. No one likes Home Owners Associations irl and we sure don't like them on SL.

Rizzy Khaos Also lmao, yes, shell out $120 a month for a private sim to keep entitled karens from trespassing on your property. What an excellent solution to a problem your group caused. Banlines and Orbs are a symptom to a greater issue, trespassing that people like you are endorsing because you think you deserve to travel across other people's land even when they've made it very clear they don't want visitors. I never hear about equestrians in SL having these problems, only aviators, boaters, and drivers.

Jaydoge Resident the most Karen person thinks others are karens.

Rizzy Khaos Yes, I'm a karen for wanting privacy on my parcel that I pay for. I'm a karen for not wanting to leave my parcel open to potentially get griefed or harassed just so someone in a plane can fly through my parcel whenever they want. Do you know how ridiculous and entitled you sound? 🙄