Flag Creator and Block Store option
Nifty Goblin
There is so many stores selling ripped items, AI generated content and blatant false advertising, it has flooded the market. Yet LL relies on people to report individual products.
When players see how convoluted it is to report stuff they just close the tab and opt to just not shop. Its a great deterrent to keep people from shopping for digital junk we dont need....
Marketplace was never great but it is now unusable with the amount of garbage clogging it up.
Make every ones life easier and allow players to flag entire stores for review in the individual listing reports. Just add a check box so players can indicate that the issue persists across all their products.
Put in a mandatory check box for creators to tag their products as AI assisted or photoshopped so we know what we're getting, and are able to filter out AI if we do not want to support that kind of content.
Generally if one product is being misrepresented, ripped, or falsely advertised....the majority of their content is.
If a creator gets flagged enough times it should trigger a review of all their products on market. If they do not pass review then unlist their listings and auto pop a warning when they log into market to make corrections or provide an explanation of the products they're selling.
Then after all that...just give us a block creator option. I dont want to see the 5 pages of AI generated porn textures being sold with word spam, when I am looking for shoes.
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Dolly Waifu
In light of the recent proposed changes to marketplace allowing for older listing to be automatically delisted, I would like to emphasize the importance of this feature request in terms of the usability (or lack thereof) of the marketplace.
As it stands now, there are thousands of new spam listings of low-effort products I have zero interest in purchasing that clog up every search I make. Many of these shops churning out dozens of items a day are also using incorrect and irrelevant keywords, and there are far too many of them to reasonably ask an end user to report. At least the older listings were often relevant to my search. Now, an even lower percentage of possible search results will be relevant products. Even prior to these changes, I have preferred inworld shopping for some time now simply due to this issue.
The purpose of the marketplace should be to make it easier and more efficient to connect customers and products they are interested in spending money on. Inworld, we can block users we take issue with to make our experience more pleasant and easier to deal with. Why can't we block stores too? If someone is selling products that I find offensive or annoying and that I would never buy, why can't I simply block the store to hide them from my results? They're not relevant to my searches, as far as i'm concerned.
I personally know multiple people who use the marketplace less lately or have stopped altogether in favor of inworld shopping because it becomes less and less usable over time. As the creator of this request said, everything we buy on Secondlife is completely optional. None of us need it. If there are enough roadblocks in the way to buying things we want, we will simply close the tab and choose not to purchase more L$ to get it. I know I have, many times. In the past, I have been a big spender on this platform. Not being able to find what I was looking for on the marketplace has cost Linden Lab at least $1000 of my money over the years. And that's just me. This change would be a huge win for the people who want to actually spend money on this platform.
Prokofy Neva
Dolly WaifuNo. Linden Lab will lose thousands of US dollars of mine and others when it starts causing stores blocked by people like you over matters of taste and judgement many people do NOT share -- and forcing their ranking in search to downgrade. That means we can't see their offerings and buy them and LL loses its commission. Your private preferences have affect on the entire system and can't be allowed to damage a shared resource. Use existing filters and improve your search words to get better results or join groups of merchants you like, shop at events, and go inworld to preferred merchants. This proposal would destroy the last bastion of free accessibility for many people in SL to the economy.
Prokofy Neva
So Nifty of Goblin Estates? You wish to replicate on the Marketplace the situation you have created inworld in Zindra 2.0? Where you put up giant spinning, bright, glowy 64 x 64 boxes that people will be forced to block/de-render if they are to enjoy any land on that sim, or another sim nearby? And each visitor that comes to them has to start from scratch and block that huge, ugly glowing box? Or do you plan also to change the build slightly every day so everyone who blocked/de-rendered it will have to do so AGAIN every day? That's a neat trick.
What would be the reason you put up a giant, glowing white box spinning on the water in the view of new coastal waterfront in Zindra 2.0? Does this help rentals/sales?
Or people are just supposed to re-render as the solution to every crazy stunt that somebody pulls inworld to achieve...whatever it is you're trying to achieve?
No sale.
Come see whatyou are voting for, everyone.
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Ikaros Alpha
I proposed the same some months ago. I'm sure others did too. I hope your item doesn't end up as 'not planned' or something. I want to block shops that I have a bad experience with. Or a shop of which the owner has not been seen inworld in the past year. etc.
Prokofy Neva
Ikaros Alpha To achieve this goal, look up exact name searches of the merchant you wish to shop from. And use more precise key words, and look at 6 pages and not 3000. Then your experience will be improved, without demanding a feature that drives down in search results everyone else you don't like, making them not appear for those willing to view their offerings. No grouplet with a determined agenda, for any reason or no reason, should overthrow the feature set for that reason.
Ikaros Alpha
Prokofy Neva "making them not appear for those willing to view" has nothing to do with my original request to be PERSONALLY able to block MP shops just like I can PERSONALLY block residents and I can PERSONALLY derender/blacklist items in Firestorm.
Prokofy Neva
Ikaros AlphaPERSONAL choices in a shared, contiguous, diverse, multinational world have CONSEQUENCES on OTHER PERSONS besides you. In search, the collective weight of the mass of blocking drives down many merchants in search results, warps search around the actions of those seeking ONLY PERSONAL PREFERENCE and impacts the entire diverse world. I'm not for having small factions overthrow the viewer, the world, the Lindens. Maybe some day there will be "SL in a Box" where people can brew their own and have their own servers in their garage or local pub and do as they wish completely. But SL isn't in a box; it's live 24/7 on AWS servers open to the public, and its Marketplace should serve the diverse international public fairly.
Ikaros Alpha
"Everybody the same experience" sounds like Communism. I'm not here to experience that.
Cackle Amore
Just having a option to block stores in the same way we can favorite stores would greatly address most current issues.
Prokofy Neva
Cackle AmoreAND change the very nature of the last free, democratic, and open space of SL where neither land nor tier nor acceptance into shopping event cartels or other in-groups are required. This public good may not matter to you; it does to thousands of other merchants. You are selling 62 items to a furry niche RP audience and that's great -- the entire structure and affordances of the Marketplace should be all about letting anyone sell anything of any amount to any niche or large audience they work. But you also believe any block in search will not affect you -- that your friends in your small circle will keep on buying your furry kits. You imagine no one will ever block "all things furry" or if they do, it won't matter because you make social sales to your RP group of friends and aquaintances and they don't need search, they just need social proximity to make a buy.
This is a different dynamic than what the entire Marketplace has to be, which is a large diverse bazaar of everything for everybody which they find by searching either an exact name of a merchant or an exact name of an item, or use key words plus the categories along the edge (these are the best refiners of search, I find). So, sorry, I'm not for people who have no stake in the diversity and the success of the many, who think that if they are not harmed by their own proposal or their friend's proposal, that it's fine to "put in block" and "everyone will thank you". Well, no. The people driven down in search results -- which you may find will eventually even include you and your pals -- will not be grateful. The Lindens have to balance the demands of a diverse world. Let's hope they will not be overthrown once again on special pleadings.
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Prokofy Neva
I just want to be able to filter out stores from search results I don't care for or feel like are a detriment to finding what I'm actually trying to find.
Nothing more, nothing less, it isn't that deep.
Now I will agree, the initial OP is much more aggressive in what they want, but that's why my comment was just focusing on the ability to block stores from search the same way we can add stores to a favorites list.
Being able to cultivate our own search feed would address most of the issues.
Prokofy Neva
Cackle AmoreThe word of SL is filled with people who are "not that deep" doing things that are "not that deep" and one hopes that the Lindens are still able to engage in Governance, even though they have now offloaded this difficult task to young Lindens and Mole contractors in something very different, about protecting their own platform, not the world, called "Trust & Safety". I'm glad you concede the OP is "more aggressive" than you conceive of your self-interested search affordances. But your search with your blocks ultimately ends up affecting MY search and the search of OTHER PEOPLE, even if only 42 people are here now, mainly without stores or single/a few items in their stores or representing furry RP in their stores. That is not "everyone". It's not even "a faction" of some size". So I'm not for this or any faction (the determined anti-AI crew or the determined edu-uber-alles crew also represented on this thread) for overthrowing the more or less democratic and free viewer and the more or less democratic and free-for-enterprise Marketplace.
The MP exists for all kinds of people, of varying degrees of talent and creativity, with varying degrees of access to tools and types of tools. Good! It's the last truly free and open Marketplace in fact of our world where THIS is what prevails, everywhere: event cartels, exclusive boutiques, the limited list of "Shop 'n Hop", the proliferation of weekend sales lasting all week but which only a few gain entry, closed sims and blocked vendors and ban list. No thank you. Leave the Britney-the-MP alone. I don't care if you find her crass or crude or tasteless or in mass cultural format or WHAT your problem is with the content on the MP -- shop at your RP sim's vendors then, they need the business. Search for your exact friend's name, they need the business.
Blocking has consequences; it deteriorates further the open and democratic nature of the world.
Cackle Amore
Prokofy Neva
How would it effect your search though if I have one or two stores blocked on my end? How would anyones choice of what stores to filter out of their own search effect yours?
If you choose to not use such a feature, then your search results will be the same as it's always been.
Like I am genuinely confused on trying to figure out where the issue is with allowing people more ways to filter their personal marketplace search.
Is having the option to filter results by mod permissions bad?
Prokofy Neva
Cackle AmoreThe fact that you persist in not seeing how your own actions affect others in a shared system makes you unsuited to promote this proposal. It's not true that all the stores blocked by you and yours would somehow still be "available" for me to "see". You're not grasping that the cumulative affect on this system of some stores constantly being shunned, blocked, and ignored -- because they use AI (real or imagined), because they build with sculpties, beause somebody doesn't like their blog, because of whatever -- is in fact to drive down all those stores in search. Because they will never been seen and clicked on by hordes of people.
When stores are blocked and driven down out of the view and never seen or clicked on, ever, then they stop showing up higher in search.
Why this needs constant explaining is beyond me.
In fact the Lindens would have to make an extra effort to code something beyond the normal Google-type search
which lowers in search rank sites not clicked on because they are not seen
-- and build in some extra protection that meant that "stores that are blocked for any reason or no reason" will still be allowed to be seen in search. Except...the randomness of their being available always and everywhere, even if not on the top pages of search, meant that even those vicious blockers would occasionally click on them and perhaps overcome their vehement prejudices for a moment to view the offerings of their fellow human being.
Actions have consequences in shared system. The idea that you can just limit the blocking behaviour to some narrow number of stores that "everyone will want to block," or that "only some people will block stores" are ludicrous. Of course it will spread as a behaviour and there will be entire vehement blocking parties in retaliation against somebody accused (rightly or wrongly) of stealing somebody's hair, or using AI in their ads (true or false). It will be like the old negrating parties of yesteryear and also like mass vendor blocking. I'm not sof rmaking the world a more sequestered and atomized and compartmentalized place than it already is.
Prokofy Neva
If you can't plug in ordinary search terms and use existing filters of the ratings like "G/M/A" plus categories and other aspects, then shop inworld just in your friends' stores. Why even go on the Marketplace? If you must go there, just type in an exact name search of your approved merchant that you and your group have approved for whatever reason. You don't have to impose your prejudices on an entire system, and drive down results in search of people you dislike.
I'm not afraid of seeing merchants I don't care about in my search results because I can scroll through them quickly and keep refining my search terms. I'm not interested in overthrowing Search to suit tiny sects of people with a beef. You don't believe that search results are driven downward when people don't see them and therefore never click on them but of course they are. No Lindens has refuted this to my knowledge and there is no reason to believe their search, with whatever tools, works differently than Google or Bing does.
Dolly Waifu
Prokofy Neva If enough people say you don't deserve the business that your impact in search results is lowered, is that not also democratic?
Prokofy Neva
Dolly WaifuNo, coerciveness by lynch mobs trying to force someone off the Marketplace is the opposite of liberal democracy. If you don't want to see a store, don't search for it by name. Glad you're admitting that the search results would be lowered.
Dolly Waifu
Prokofy Neva Nothing is going to be "forced off the marketplace." Lowered search results are not the same as removal. If your products stand up on their own, they will still be purchased and still stay high in search results. If you want the market to buy your goods, make better goods. Nobody is owed success.
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Add a "🚫 Block this store" function to the Marketplace
Bambi Bubbles
Anyone who's spent much time on the SL Marketplace knows that there are some stores that we're just never going to be interested in. We should be able to say "Please don't show me items from this store anymore".
There are as many reasons to block a store as their are people in SL. Their item listings may be poorly made, stuck in the wrong categories, abusing search keywords, or their items or store name may simply be offensive for any number of reasons. Personal grudges, political differences, frequently unattractive AI product images, sexism, racism, unwanted sexual content, misleading listings, scam items, too-high of prices, bad permissions...
the list is endless... and the individual reasons aren't important here.
Whatever the reason might be, sometimes we just know that we're never going to knowingly want to buy an item from a given store.. so why not add a feature that helps the shopper and the seller avoid one another?
Like "Block and Derender", I propose the addition of a "My Blocked Stores" function on the marketplace.
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How would it be implemented?
Add a "Block this store" link to product listings, and store pages on the marketplace.
Clicking any of the "Block this store" links would add the store to the user's personal block list. Perhaps it could trigger a pop-up interstitial with an "Are you sure?" user query.
Once a store was added to that list, the search functions on the website would no longer return items from that store, to the shopper.
Optionally, this would also stop advertisements and other 'promoted' items from being shown to the user. This would save ad-impressions for the seller, not wasting impressions on people who would never buy their items.
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What if a mistake is made or someone changes their mind?
The addition of a "My Blocked Stores" page (similar to the "My Favorite Stores" page that already exists), could let the user review the stores they're currently blocking.
This page could show the 4(?) most recently released items from the seller, allowing at a glance for the user to see if the block is still worth having in place. Someone you blocked for offensive content might have moved on, grown, or changed their approach.
The existing "Check this box to select this store" and "Remove" buttons on the Marketplace Interface could easily allow the user to curate their own block list, with minimal additional dev work.
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Note: I've used AI themed content in my mocked-up screenshots, but this was done primarily to mock-up a 'fake' MP store and listings, to use as a visual example of how the 'My Blocked Stores" function could be integrated into the website.
This proposal is NOT about AI content, or any other content depicted in these mockups.
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Fearchar Enoch
That "Are you sure?" popup would be essential.
I'm not sure blocking ads and promoted items would be possible.
Eris Ravenwood
This would be so cool.
chesse Vyceratops
yep we need a block function on the Marketplace
Jelly Doll
Also a way to share our block lists would be great.
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