Bring Back Avatar Cloth!
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churchdevil Resident
The feature to have baggy pants and shirts on default LL bodies has been removed, and there is no way to enable it. Why?
It used to be in the graphics settings as 'Avatar cloth' with a checkbox next to it. It's gone now. In the debug menu (RenderAvatarCloth), it cannot even be re-enabled, and says 'DEPRECATED'. I would like to see it again. For people who still enjoy using the old-school LL body, having cuffs on your pants or being able to make your shirt baggy brought unique character to your avatar. I can completely understand that the default LL body is old and outdated, and that many people don't use it anymore, but please don't remove that joy for the few that are left. I simply just can't understand why it was removed in the first place. The avatar wavy cloth function wasn't hurting anything, or anyone.
EDIT: To add onto this, YES you can still use the sliders, but other users will not be able to see the effect on your avatar. Tested this by having a friend look at my avatar while I was using using "pants cuffs" sliders. He couldn't see them. The friend logged into default viewer and got the same result. This was an intentional removal.
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thesoundofonemanlaughing Resident
When is this going to be fixed? I need others, not just me, to see my clothes correctly. I know I "shouldn't" still have a system body, I know I "shouldn't" wear system clothes, I know my favorite shop, Ghostraven Professional Attire, "shouldn't" make clothes that loser system avatars can wear. I know we shouldn't play the game (yeah I said it) the way we want, but we should play the way Linden Labs wants us to.
The worse thing is that I get to see my clothes as they should be seen, you're just making me look crappy to everyone else.
I've got tons of system clothes that are great. I look the way that I want to look. Could you please stop fixing what is already working?
I have nothing against the ocean of Baywatch-ready mesh bodies running around with their insane muscles and bouncing shirts. Live and let live. But let us system avatars live, could you please?
Let us enjoy Second Life. Even us assholes with system bodies. Even us assholes who can't buy a new computer every two years. Give us what we want - customers do not take dictation, unless you're Microsoft, and you're not.
Dan Linden
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Dan Linden
Thank you for the report, churchdevil!
Issue tracked at https://github.com/secondlife/viewer/issues/4963. We have no estimate when it may be implemented. Please see future updates here.
Imbolc Sirbu
thanks for your finding, this is what i found out (Firestorm) : on meshbody it does not work anymore (indeed! ), the changing of flare.
On classic body it does work, photo's fyi. Very odd (and not logic at all..) Yes bring back avatar cloth ! (it is there only for classic ava).
Linn Darkwatch
Imbolc Sirbu On Firestorm, it looks like it works - the sliders slide - but then it doesn't actually do it, though it might seem to. It's very clear that it doesn't if you look with a different avatar.
Imbolc Sirbu
Linn Darkwatch yes,that's what i explain & show in photo, it's very odd. It does work for classic avatars.
Linn Darkwatch
Imbolc Sirbu Yes, I use Firestorm too. I can set the sliders, and pants might look like to me like they have bagginess or flared cuffs - but if I log in with an alt and look from them, I can see that isn't actually the case.
Imbolc Sirbu
Linn Darkwatch hopefully LL will sort this out... so many people still buy BOM (it is less lag and can be awesome), i love BOM as well, mixed with mesh etc. Thumbs up
Etheria Parrott
It sounds more like a bug than a discontinued feature. LL wouldn't do anything to break content deliberately. Oh "deprecated"! You're right.
Eren Padar
Etheria Parrott Not to disagree or argue, but I think the recent PBR debacle proves LL can definitely breat content deliberately. Surely they knew the problems PBR would cause before releasing it on the public. : (
Tetsuryu Vlodovic
Etheria Parrott Another oldschool feature that's been broken for ages is the way the linden trees would subtly move as if affected by the wind.
I don't know why we're not supposed to use the old style trees, they might not look the best but they're tremendously efficient in terms of land use since they're only 1LI each.
Earnest Deed
Thank you for the research this would explain why in Linux Cool VL Viewer trousers recently became tight leggings, but the latest version shows flares on the logged in avatar, but other avatars flares are rendered as tight leggings. Note that if PBR is toggled off in Cool VL Viewer there is a pre-ticked option to turn on Avatar Cloth Shader, but this setting has no impact on seeing flares worn by others as tight leggings. So returning the Avatar Cloth option to the LL viewer may have no impact on what is probably a server side issue.
Apple Silicon LL Viewer showed flared trousers, but my two Linux viewers see it as skinny jeans. Then after altering the clothing of the avatar on Linux Firestorm, the Apple Silicon browser not only saw it as skinny jeans, but also switched to seeing the Apple logged in avatar as wearing skinny jeans. Later it returned to showing flares to the logged in avatar.
Diddle Oh
_when_ was this feature removed?! i havn't used default viewer in a long time, and not being around all year, i don't know how long i've been nipping in off the cuff without flare!
an important detail is that some viewers have a setting for allowing 'baggy' clothes to wave as if in the wind, much like jiggle physics for clothing. of course this enhances blouses and trouses in a way still unparalleled with the "latest" avatars. so what are we supposed to gain from such a deprecation? we can use my clothing on a mesh body with 'bakes on mesh' now sure, and if this stays borked there will be no practical difference between them, other than the default avatar body still being the simplest and most customisable body supported by the viewer!
it's all the more upsetting because of the silence. much like the unannouced "ai" features in firefox now (it's called 'machine learning', folks, visit about:config and search for "browser.ml."
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), where we only learn about it because eventually a setting appears or disappears. it's not even a breaking change for me, i'll still use the defult body. it simply set the viewer apart from the user as an adversary, rather than an extension of the avatar.Kameo McCullough
Please, fix the big stuff that impacts everyone's daily interaction with SL. The stuff over which folks are tearing out their hair. The small stuff that works fine and has been working fine for a long time, just leave it alone. We're always hearing how LL doesn't have the people and the resources to handle all the stuff that customers are complaining about. Maybe take a look at where the time and resources are being spent and consider reorganizing that department. And, so you don't forget, we love ya, LL boys and girls. We know you're trying your best for us, and we appreciate your efforts. Just wanted to throw a little love into the conversation since, it seems, we don't do that very often. Hugs, and thanks for all of your efforts (except this one under discussion. :-D).
Janet Rhiadra
Please keep the old tools so we can use them with the new ones...Thanks
Phrynne Resident
What was the incentive of this change? What was the purpose of it? What is gained by it? I see no improvement or advantage to it at all, and a great deal of bother for those of us who have been here a while and acquired good clothing that now will not fit properly. Bring back Avatar Cloth today!
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