Bring Back Avatar Cloth!
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churchdevil Resident
The feature to have baggy pants and shirts on default LL bodies has been removed, and there is no way to enable it. Why?
It used to be in the graphics settings as 'Avatar cloth' with a checkbox next to it. It's gone now. In the debug menu (RenderAvatarCloth), it cannot even be re-enabled, and says 'DEPRECATED'. I would like to see it again. For people who still enjoy using the old-school LL body, having cuffs on your pants or being able to make your shirt baggy brought unique character to your avatar. I can completely understand that the default LL body is old and outdated, and that many people don't use it anymore, but please don't remove that joy for the few that are left. I simply just can't understand why it was removed in the first place. The avatar wavy cloth function wasn't hurting anything, or anyone.
EDIT: To add onto this, YES you can still use the sliders, but other users will not be able to see the effect on your avatar. Tested this by having a friend look at my avatar while I was using using "pants cuffs" sliders. He couldn't see them. The friend logged into default viewer and got the same result. This was an intentional removal.
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Dan Linden
The fix for "Clothes of other avatars are rendered skin tight" has shipped in 26.2. https://secondlife.com/downloads
Ai Austin
Second Life Release 26.1.0.21999748351 (2026.01, 20-Feb-2026) mentions in the Release Notes that it has support for the "Avatar Cloth". But on test it does NOT include the fix for system clothing such as 100% length pants showing tight to the skin for other avatars. If that is not included would it make sense to cherry pick that fix to get it into a 2026.01 RC?
Dan Linden
Linking this to https://github.com/secondlife/viewer/issues/5296 "Clothes of other avatars are rendered skin tight". I believe this is the issue most people care about.
As for Wavy avatar cloth, which is clothing flapping in the breeze, I cannot get that old "Avatar cloth" feature to work on an old viewer. If someone has a recipe (viewer version / outfit) to show how that old feature worked, please add it to https://github.com/secondlife/viewer/issues/4963
Chrisje Lane
Dan Linden "Flapping in the breeze" clothes sound like the clothes with flex prims we used to have. Those still work. Flex hair too. Just not (always) in the mobile viewer.
thesoundofonemanlaughing Resident
Dan Linden
Fixing this breaking of all system clothes was requested at the end of October last year. Is anyone doing anything about this, or will anyone ever do something about this?
thesoundofonemanlaughing Resident
Quite a lot of money and time put in by me buying the clothes and making the outfits. A great deal more time and money put in buy everyone else who bought system clothes, designed, made, and sold system clothes. All this accomplished for no God-damned reason at all.
What a bunch of assholes.
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thesoundofonemanlaughing Resident
When is this going to be fixed?
thesoundofonemanlaughing Resident
When is this going to be fixed? I need others, not just me, to see my clothes correctly. I know I "shouldn't" still have a system body, I know I "shouldn't" wear system clothes, I know my favorite shop, Ghostraven Professional Attire, "shouldn't" make clothes that loser system avatars can wear. I know we shouldn't play the game (yeah I said it) the way we want, but we should play the way Linden Labs wants us to.
The worse thing is that I get to see my clothes as they should be seen, you're just making me look crappy to everyone else.
I've got tons of system clothes that are great. I look the way that I want to look. Could you please stop fixing what is already working?
I have nothing against the ocean of Baywatch-ready mesh bodies running around with their insane muscles and bouncing shirts. Live and let live. But let us system avatars live, could you please?
Let us enjoy Second Life. Even us assholes with system bodies. Even us assholes who can't buy a new computer every two years. Give us what we want - customers do not take dictation, unless you're Microsoft, and you're not.
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Dan Linden
Thank you for the report, churchdevil!
Issue tracked at https://github.com/secondlife/viewer/issues/4963. We have no estimate when it may be implemented. Please see future updates here.
thesoundofonemanlaughing Resident
Dan Linden
Still fucking waiting.
Medea Frostbite
thesoundofonemanlaughing Resident The rest of us will dumb ourselves down for you so you can still look like 2008. It's really the only fair thing to do.
Imbolc Sirbu
thanks for your finding, this is what i found out (Firestorm) : on meshbody it does not work anymore (indeed! ), the changing of flare.
On classic body it does work, photo's fyi. Very odd (and not logic at all..) Yes bring back avatar cloth ! (it is there only for classic ava).
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Linn Darkwatch
Imbolc Sirbu On Firestorm, it looks like it works - the sliders slide - but then it doesn't actually do it, though it might seem to. It's very clear that it doesn't if you look with a different avatar.
Imbolc Sirbu
Linn Darkwatch yes,that's what i explain & show in photo, it's very odd. It does work for classic avatars.
Linn Darkwatch
Imbolc Sirbu Yes, I use Firestorm too. I can set the sliders, and pants might look like to me like they have bagginess or flared cuffs - but if I log in with an alt and look from them, I can see that isn't actually the case.
Imbolc Sirbu
Linn Darkwatch hopefully LL will sort this out... so many people still buy BOM (it is less lag and can be awesome), i love BOM as well, mixed with mesh etc. Thumbs up
Ai Austin
Imbolc Sirbu It does not work on classic avatars with pants length = 100% when viewed by another user in their viewer.
Etheria Parrott
It sounds more like a bug than a discontinued feature. LL wouldn't do anything to break content deliberately. Oh "deprecated"! You're right.
Eren Padar
Etheria Parrott Not to disagree or argue, but I think the recent PBR debacle proves LL can definitely breat content deliberately. Surely they knew the problems PBR would cause before releasing it on the public. : (
Tetsuryu Vlodovic
Etheria Parrott Another oldschool feature that's been broken for ages is the way the linden trees would subtly move as if affected by the wind.
I don't know why we're not supposed to use the old style trees, they might not look the best but they're tremendously efficient in terms of land use since they're only 1LI each.
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