A necessary feature disable object IM to stop spam.
Rydut Mildor
Hello! Please, add function for block IM from objects optional.
I and many other SL residents receive daily spam of political, provocative, offensive and extremist content.
This has been going on for over 2 years now, every day. Unfortunately, numerous reports to LL during all this time do not help.
This spam is sent by a group of people using a scripted object that they rezz to the ground in the sandbox.
This script send a IM message from this object to the nearby chat, using a list of avatars.
The object's name changes randomly each time it is placed on the ground. After sending spam, the object is automatically deleted.
Spam objects on the ground place fake avatars (bots), the number of which already exceeds several hundred, so banning them is useless.
This problem with spam can be solved by adding a blocking IM from objects optional.
For example, adding check box "Disable Object IM" to the preferences menu.
Or add function to debug settings "DisableObjectIM (true/false)".
Thank you!
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Ceri Quixote
I support some version of this functionality - trying to relay on blacklisting to prevent spam is both futile and inefficient from a processing standpoint. I would suggest some form of whitelisting - criteria based as has been suggested in other posts (based on groups or friend-list) and / or a maintained list that you can opt into based on group or resident.
Wicked Nightfall
I also submitted a complaint about this and no answer from LL for over 2 months - as they use off server databases which means even if you block the messenger it does nothing.
They are circumventing bans - the amount of SPAM we are getting is out of control but Linden Labs doesn't care and it shows.
Linden Labs does not care as why the ticket wasn't answered just as they won't say a word in here.
This is why many are leaving and why I left. Over 2 months with an unanswered ticket says a lot about the people in charge.
Linden Labs needs to sell SL to people who are better capable.
Rydut Mildor
Wicked Nightfall For two years now, I and many other residents have been regularly reporting violations to Linden Labs. So I'm sure they're well aware of this spam problem. But we don't know what measures Linden Labs is taking. We only know that there are no results. The spam keeps coming. And since this problem is relevant and only growing in scale, it's necessary to speak out and insist on a solution.
Wicked Nightfall
Rydut Mildor 100% agreed and I was very happy to see that you did. I agree it is growing in scale and I hope we keep complaining about it till something is done. Thanks for being a part of the solution.
Journey Bunny
I like the idea, but it would be such a used feature that I suspect it would immediately break quite a lot of content.
I would like to see this feature, but modified slightly:
DisableObjectIM (0/1/2)
Where
0 is No disable,
1 is Disable objects outside region,
2 is Disable objects (all)
This would introduce a reasonable version where the blocking could still permit objects in-region to send functional messages (like games sending msgs to HUDs), while helping those who are targeted by these object spam campaigns
Rydut Mildor
Journey Bunny Yes, I agree. It would be very convenient to separate the management of incoming IM messages from objects into these three options: do not block, block only outside region messages, and block all Object IM's.
For ease of use, you can create a button on the toolbar (for example, the same as the buttons for phototools, radar, outfits, etc.). Clicking this button will open a small menu with three checkboxes.
This will be a very easy to use tool for filly control Object IM's messeges.
marxman1313 Resident
Rydut Mildor To be fair it would probably be better as a privacy setting under preferences, but otherwise I wholeheartedly agree with you and Journey.
AlettaMondragon Resident
There was a very similar request here a while ago, did anything happen with it?
Edit: Here it is:
Of course nothing happened with it.
Rydut Mildor
AlettaMondragon Resident Yes, this post is also about the same spam issue. I hadn't seen post before. However, this means the problem is becoming more widespread, affecting an increasing number of users. Therefore, it requires an immediate solution. Because tomorrow, the number of victims of spam attacks could increase significantly. I hope Linden Labs takes this threat seriously and finally takes the necessary measures.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Rydut Mildor It is a serious problem and an exploit they should have addressed already, but as you can see in the other ticket, they just marked it "tracked" and added there is no estimate when this could be implemented. That's their standard version of "don't hold your breath". As with many other issues it would be great if they finally did something about this, but unsurprisingly they didn't.
Rydut Mildor
AlettaMondragon Resident Since the spam problem is so pressing, it needs to be discussed again and again, and solutions sought. Sooner or later, it will be impossible to ignore.
Nafannnya Resident
I’m a Jay in the SL. I play in both Russian and foreign clubs. When you stream and chat, an uncontrolled and unblocked spam... This is so annoying, hindering and irritating that it becomes simply impossible to broadcast adequately.
Worse than that. Spam begins to come and those people who to the Russian clubs, in groups of which goes the attack, have nothing to do. And the very idea of freedom, creativity, equality, internationalism, tolerance at last - is simply being neutralized, turned into its opposite!
Why should all the community suffer because of the aggression of inadequate extremists?
Rydut Mildor
Nafannnya Resident I see the main problem in the fact that Second Life has technical possibilities for abuse of spam, which can be subject to absolutely any resident and any community. And there is absolutely no way to protect against this.
This is the technical vulnerability of the game to abuse, fraud and blackmail. Therefore, it is simply necessary to take measures to protect against intruders.
Rydut Mildor
I have a new idea on how to stop spam. I already wrote about it in my answer to Beatrice Voxel, but I also want to put this idea in a separate post.
The main problem with blocking uncontrolled spam from objects is that most often the owner of this spam object is undefined or no longer exists (was deleted).
Or spam objects rezz fake avatars, bots, the number of which is more than several hundred. Therefore, blocking them every time is pointless, they create new bots.
Therefore, I propose to allow sending remote messages from objects only if the owner of this object has using payment information. This will ensure that the owner of the object can be identified and blocked in case of abuse.
This check of the payment information will not affect existing legal objects, but will effectively block illegal ones. In this case, you will not even need to add additional means of blocking object IMs.
In addition, the server-level implementation will not depend on the used viewer.
I think this is easy to implement, similar to, for example, only avatars with verified payment information can load mesh. Why then can any unknown person send uncontrolled mass messages for any purpose?
Rathgrith027 Resident
Rydut Mildor
I agree with this solution.
Furthermore, if an object sends an IM, it should retain information about the owner's name, creator's name, and locality of where it was rezzed.
Rydut Mildor
Rathgrith027 Resident Yes, that's right! However, even now you can see information about the owner of the object and its location. Here is a screenshot of a message from a legal object - a tracker of visitors to my store. It indicates the owner and location.
But in case of spam, the owner of the object is not defined. Instead of the owner's name I see question marks "???". This means that most likely the object belongs to a group that has already been deleted.
Therefore, it is impossible to block the owner of the object. In fact, this is a vulnerability of SL, which allows sending messages from unknown objects, which is used by attackers.
That's why it is necessary to fix this by adding verification of the owner of the object payment information to identify its real owner.
Beatrice Voxel
More needs to be done to police sandbox regions, especially with these kinds of scripted objects (which in my mind fall under 'griefer tools' since they're designed to not be detectable and/or not trace back to their owners.)
We've had such an object sending IM's to various people on a specific Adult sim... but as near as we can tell, the object itself is nowhere on the sim, it's off in a sandbox someplace else, virtually untraceable, owner unknown. It's really upsetting to be sent child porn links from a randomized object in another sim, the owner of which cannot be determined. All we can do is file a report on an object that likely does not exist when investigated, was rezzed by an alt account that was also deleted shortly after, and ... nothing changes.
I would advocate for object IM's to be limited to the region wherein they're rezzed - if a target is not present on that sim, the message simply is not sent. If a shopkeeper wants to IM customers out of region OR offline, they need to use an actual avatar, with its own account and feed and ability to be reported. Along with this, all scripted agent / 'bot' accounts need to have an owner, an account they're operated by. It wouldn't curtail ALL of the altspam we get, but at least the reputable stores would have a paper trail to say, "we're doing this in accordance with the rules" and would be less likely to be banned if someone were to get pissed off at them.
Rydut Mildor
Beatrice Voxel Of course, uncontrolled mailings of messages from objects are unacceptable, because this is a very easy ground for various abuses, including unacceptable propaganda, fraud and blackmail. Just imagine that any ill-wisher can blackmail an entire community for any purpose. For example, by threatening spam, forcing people to leave a group that he does not like. And this is already a reality now! And the main thing is that there are no means of protection. That is why I ask to provide these means of protection to users.
And my new idea is to make it so that it is possible to send messages only from remote objects owned by persons with using payment information. Becouse main problem - is the impossibility of blocking an object whose ownership is uncertain. Why can only avatars with verified payment information upload meshes, but anyone can send mass messages for any purpose, including threatening ones? I think it is not difficult to implement.
Wallace Wirefly
Some objects can be objectionable in sending IMs. Another that has issues at times is Subscribe-O-Matics . It seems SL has become more more like RL Advertising. Some will say "well some have to make money here" Let the people decide without all the spamming. Thanks
Rydut Mildor
Wallace Wirefly Yes, completly Agree!
Rain Dethly
the spamming is very irritating and it bothers me and everyone i kno0w they need to blocked and done away with
OksanaSedia Resident
I am a sl/rl musician, I hate this spamming I have never used a spammer or subscriber. I find these very irritating and worthless. I can not count the times i have went to other musicians shows and the spammer etc is banging away at people. I think that spamming devices need blocked and done away with
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