Button "Derender all, except friends"
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Mo Elara
This function is available in Firestorm and is one of the biggest helpers in SL, both for shopping on full sims and for photography on busy sims. Please implement in the main viewer! Thank you!
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Hello, and thank you for your feature request regarding the 'Derender all, except friends' button. This feature has been previously brought up in our Jira archive under the title 'Add the Show Friends Only Button.' We understand the importance of this functionality, especially for improving performance and enhancing user experience during activities like shopping and photography on busy sims. We have set this issue to tracked, and while we cannot provide an estimate on when it may be implemented, please keep an eye on future updates. Your input is valuable, and we appreciate your continued commitment to improving Second Life.
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Kristy Aurelia
I disagree. Second Life is a social platform, hiding everyone is not very social.
Also see 'Black Mirror - White Christmas' episode.
Crexon Resident
I respectfully disagree with this. It was mentioned already here you can set your avatar complexity to super low and set to always render friends. It gets annoying consistently getting bumped into at places all the time and very rude and inconsiderate.
I wish Canny had a downvote option since its impossible get true user feedback without knowing both for and against.
Mo Elara
Crexon Resident, please tell those people who park on busy sim landing points by the dozens that you cannot move to avoid bumping 😂
Fullperm Alpha
Personally, I love this option too. Avis are the main reason a sim lags, especially in large shops and clubs. While clubs require a lot of traffic, it's not ideal when the sim suddenly becomes laggy.
I would suggest making this feature more automatic. We could define a radius where avatars (avis) are fully visible. This radius could also be dependent on your frame rate per second (FPS). When your FPS drops below a critical limit, avatars outside the defined radius wouldn't be rendered.
An optional checkbox in the configuration menu could enable this feature. This would help to make sims, especially clubs and other hotspots, lag-free.
I also suggest making the rezz clouds more subtle. Instead of a jarring red, a white and much smaller cloud would be less visually intrusive when entering a crowded area.
Mo Elara
Fullperm Alpha exellent ideas, thank you!
Ziel Omizu
I'd LOVE this as a Toolbar Button! On Firestorm, this setting I believe also only resets when you leave the region? If it were natively toggleable, that would be awesome! That way we could turn it off when we need, and back on when we need - such as the mentioned use cases.
It's just kind of expected that when you go to a busy region, someone is going to accidentally walk into you from lag alone - so I don't personally see a reason why this feature shouldn't be implemented.
Kyrah Abattoir
More options to stick our heads in the sand about avatar complexity?
Mo Elara
Kyrah Abattoir This has nothing to do with it, please stay on topic.
Gwyneth Llewelyn
Stupid question here — it's a long time since I tried this, but you can set the maximum number of avatars being rendered, right? What happens if you place that setting at zero? I would guess that everybody would just turn into impostors — probably not good for photography, but a very reasonable compromise for "busy regions"...
Gwyneth Llewelyn
Oh, and I forgot: other viewers also implement the "derender all" functionality, such as Alchemy. Firestorm just happens to be the most popular one :)
Mo Elara
Gwyneth Llewelyn Alchemy will not implement unless LL does. And no, grey ghosts do not help with photography at all. Especially in Alchemy this feature would help for all its other great features for photography, such as a poser and PBR, AND it is available for Windows AND Mac (Black Dragon is not)
HeinrichMader Resident
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Spiffy Voxel
Respectfully disagree — while it
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improve performance in busy or full sims, it has the major disadvantage that you can easily walk over someone without realising, which is very rude behaviour! (I got called out one time for doing exactly that, so I know from experience.)With Graphic Presets, it's possible to create something for these situations where the Avatar Complexity is limited to 20,000 for everyone other than yourself, and you can also drop the Avatar Imposters value down to one to reduce rendering of others even further. That achieves most of the benefits of the Firestorm function while also allowing you to see and navigate around people at events.
Mo Elara
Spiffy Voxel, I use a minimap to navigate a shopping event, quick in and quick out, that is social to me with a pro account: To allow others to get in faster because I cam/search for demos faster, take them home and come back to shop what I liked. What you propose is fine but more work than a simple button, and it does not help with photography at all.
Talem Basevi
Spiffy Voxel 1) you can "teach people manners" by this. You would have to control chats otherwise, so people are not rude to others. and people bump or run into others even without this setting. And many people (like me and a lot of friends) know how to use the cam to look around at events to not have to bump into anyone. I invite you to show how I regularly use it WITHOUT EVER bumping into anyone.
2) It is a HUGE difference to use the "derender all, except friends" feature or change settings as you suggest. Also it is very easily done, just one click, ready. I have friends with old computers who are in SL for years and this feature is often the only way they can get to crowded events like concerts, clubs or shopping events. Most of them TP to the location, try to find an empty spot to stand, then turn derender. No one ever bumps into others.
Marci Masala
Spiffy Voxel Lowering complexity isn't helpful to photographers who are trying to take a clean shot. People running through your frame as you take your pic is super frustrating, and on a busy sim, that happens constantly. Derendering them is the easiest and fastest solution. Most photographers aren't moving around much when they're shooting so they're not likely to bump into people.
Mo Elara
Spiffy Voxel Talking of rude/stupid behaviour: A full sim where tons of people stay on landing point. Try to get your butt out of that mess without walking over people, rendered or not. Fly? Mostly disabled on event sims. It all has several sides. In the end, derendering people and using a minimap to walk on as little as possible people, is the better way, imho.
This discussion and the one on Discord reminds me how differently people live their SL and lack understanding for the needs of others. Personally, when this function will not be adopted by LL and Alchemy, I will simply not use those viewsers in daily SL life, regardless how funky other features may be.
Faris Bloodrose
Spiffy Voxel if you get called out for that in a crowded event, who is rude, is the person who called you out. It is normal to accidentally bump people in events, many people bumped me and I didn't bother. Because I know many people use the derrender tool, because it is useful. Not everyone have a super powerful computer.
Also, that tool, is very, but very useful for pics. When you are doing a setup and people can walk around you without ruining the pic is gold.
Beatrice Voxel
Spiffy Voxel At events I do two things:
1) I detach my complex mesh clothes and body along with all scripted attachments, and don a full-body alpha to become invisible and low script weight. I then attach a simple rectangular object that has my profile picture on it to Avatar Center. Essentially I become a sign.
2) I use Cam View along with an Emdash "Port to Camera" tool to navigate the event. If something I'm interested in is close enough to interact with it, I don't move at all, but if it's out of reach I'll port to it and then resume camming from there.
I DO derender all but friends at crowded events, simply because I don't care for single-digit framerates. When I arrive I move away from the landing point (where the crowds typically are) and then start camming/porting around.
Also, I've lost track how many times I've been bumped, shoved, landed upon, or otherwise displaced by oblivious people in just about every setting. I've chastised none of them. It's Something That Happens - I've no idea if a person is deliberately rude, or if their latency and framerate are so bad that they simply can't see me reliably. Either way, yelling at them serves no point - they can't change their latency problems without significant expense, and they won't change deliberate boorish behavior just because someone called them out on it.
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