Changing group that land is set to - Make message clearer or allow for temporary overfilling
Cody Conundrum
When changing a group for a parcel of land, please give me a nice big warning that says if you do this you might have stuff returned as other parcels in the same group will then not have enough prims to hold items
Alternatively, allow a 10 minute grace period where the parcel can be over capacity to allow for region owners/managers to set multiple parcels to a new group.
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Mari Moonbeam
We need an escrow period - for a fee is fine - to allow for group changes like the above , parcel line changes etc. That 10 per cent group bonus makes it a nightmare to be able to keep mainland useful . No one wants to be hit with a solid one month tier increase just for trying to keep your mainland functional.
Can't we buy a short-rate say 1 day - 24 hour grace period into the next tier for a 3 day cost . Too expensive for a script to get around but long enough to allow for power outages, RL phone calls , region restarts etc.
Beatrice Voxel
Whether or not LL provides 'tools' to anticipate and correct the underlying issues beforehand, it still comes down on residents (be they estate managers or a brand new eager tenant) to not rez past the LI allowances. When someone does overdo it (or do something like change the group ownership on land and affect the previous group's LI allotment) there needs to be some kind of "oops!" button that allows for the CAUSE of the problem to be reverted, before builds start to go bye-bye.
Yes, we need to pay attention to LI budgets. Yes, we need to pay attention to deeded objects. But when someone messes up (and we all know people do make mistakes, sometimes repeatedly) what we also need is a method to either immediately revert the change before object return kicks in, OR an advance warning "This may break builds on this region, are you sure?" dialog to let someone know before the change is made. Both would be even better.
Brian Aviator
Huge agreement and thumbs up from me on the idea of a grace period. I think many with large builds and multiple parcels have made this mistake before and regretted the resulting mess.
Cody Conundrum
To clarify - I am an estate owner. This request perhaps isn’t relevant for mainland but absolutely is for private regions.
EDIT : I am not saying it isn’t an issue. I was just stating that I’ve found it more common with private regions than I have mainland in response to the wall of text I read about mainland parcels below.
Ikaros Alpha
Cody Conundrum It surely is relevant on mainland.
Cuddles Supply
Cody Conundrum I agree with Ikaros. I have this exact issue right now on mainland and I have to workout in what order to change parcels adn what to take out of each. If there was a temporary grace period, I could switch them easily.
diamond Marchant
I own mainland and all my parcels are owned by the same group and I cannot change the group unless I sell the land to an individual and they then put the parcel in a new group. (Don't think you can sell land directly to a new group.)
A few basics.... a group allows multiple people to contribute tier and this applies grid-wide. A parcel has an associated LI which is shared among all the parcels in a region. You can always determine if your group tier covers the LI of all the parcels of the group by looking at the Land tab of the Group profile. Also, you can determine your region LI use by looking at the Object tab of the About Land tool (this shows LI use by all parcels in a region). Finally, you can get the per parcel LI using Area Search.
Should you change the group of a parcel, then old group will become overtiered and the new group may possibly be undertiered. You can determine this ahead of time by simply using the tools described above.
A more common occurence of "undertiering" is where someone in a group withdraws their tier contribution. My experience is that nothing bad happens immediately and you have time to sort it (not sure how long). No warning is given.
I expect LL will NOT act on this request because they already give you the tools to sort it out yourself. Also, this is probably something that happens only occasionally.
Chaser Zaks
I've had issues where I've rezzed stuff before, and the simulator allowed for me to rez it, but it was over the land impact by 100, and it returned stuff that I have no idea where I had it rezzed. This is further made frustrating that "Restore to last position" works only if you have build permissions at <0,0,0>.
I often panic when I see the land impact in the negative and take stuff to try to avoid having my stuff returned by the time the GC comes by and clears stuff.
Definitely would be useful to have a grace period before stuff is returned!
Timothy McGregor
Easy upvote for the grace period, although it should be longer than 10 minutes. 30 minimum. Even very experienced users fall into this trap, and its oftentimes catastrophic.
Crai Conundrum
This is quite an important feature request - too many times have objects been returned because of this and complaints have been made.
To add insult to injury, LL are very sceptical (to some degree, rightfully so) about doing rollbacks, so if LL were to refuse your rollback request, that's your hard work gone and customers/residents of your land very mad at you for accidentally triggering a mass return.
Not a good place to be!
I vote on the grace period idea, with a notification popup warning the owner to check for over-capacity and how long they have left before it all goes bye-bye.