Inventory Sharing between registered 'alt' accounts
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NaluriMurai Lust
I've a large amount of content that I'd like to have access to on my alt. Things like clothes, like vehicles and the sort. Having to rebuy these items can be costly, especially if I like to create different accounts for personas and the sort.
We could solve this by allowing users to designate up to two (given the current 3 accounts/user restriction if memory serves) accounts to have access to a 'master' inventory, much like how the SL Library is accessible.
That being said, I can hear the lamentations of creators and the sort already, though let me posit this: To which percent of your sales are from people making alts? I doubt it's very many. And as for the legal and other concerns, I posit this: require residents report alts to Linden Lab, and make that a pre-requisite for being able to share inventory, along with having to agree that this service is for only the use of one legal person, and providing access to inventory to another person can be grounds for both accounts to be banned. I'm even for the idea of making this a premium feature.
Furthermore, I'd suggest that 2FA be a prerequisite for alts accessing inventory unless access is in a NC/NM/NT configuration on 'guests'.
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Spidey Linden
Merged in a post:
Develop a tool to transfer items you created to another alt account
Toothless Draegonne
This is a request to build a tool for users to transfer items to a known alt account, and automatically set all transferred items with the alt's name as creator.
This is something that would benefit anyone who might import or create content, but then sell under a branded account. The account initiating the transfer would need to be any paid level of account as an encouragement to get on the paid ladder, and to make it worth the while to make the tool.
It may also benefit people who wish to give out free and full perm content, without risking a fullperm root prim being abused.
Vikktor McDunnough
So the major concern here seems to be paying for uploads twice. Why not just upload the items on the Branded alt to start with? Then anything uploaded is done in the Alt's name, and you only paid once. You could even upload on the alt, then send full perm to your main to spend time messing with it, and then send it back full perm to the Alt. It would still retain the alt as the creator.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Sometimes I wonder if some people just sit and think up these nonsensical ideas. Aside of that, simply put, creator = uploader. That is how it should be. The creators I've seen who make their own mesh for example have no problem with their alts' names on some of their objects. Other than that, I can't see what benefit anyone could have from this, why wouldn't you just want to sell the item with the account you uploaded it with?
Toothless Draegonne
AlettaMondragon Resident
"Should" be? You like paying twice? Or should everyone have to go out and get special extra premium pl00s 250 bux/year accounts just to have a branded account they can transfer stuff to?
AlettaMondragon Resident
Toothless Draegonne Huh? You stopped reading at that "should be", didn't you.
Why is it such a big deal if it's a different creator name on your object or texture or whatever?
Linn Darkwatch
If it's something you made, you can already do this. If it's something you bought that's NT, the original and all copies and everything made with it would have to be removed from the original alt's inventory to be fair.
Cooter Coorara
I don't understand the question. I build houses, and I create all of the components for those houses. If I think they're unique enough, I set it as full mod and give it to my alt, who removes the check from the transfer check box and sells it in his store. I don't care whose name is listed as the creator, but if I did, I would just have my alt upload the builds himself. He would be shown as the creator. So can't you do what you want to do now?
Toothless Draegonne
Cooter Coorara
If you want to pay twice to upload something twice, good for you.
For everyone else, though...
Izzatooona Enthusiast
Um.... NO! LOL Can you imagine the mayhem and severe loss this would cause? Now look, if I build something, I already have the right to transfer it to any account I want - alts, friends, customers, etc. So, if that's your point, you don't need LL to change anything. But, if you want to transfer items created by someone else that you own, and have that new owner show up as the creator? That's theft. That's illegal. Please explain further.
squidpaladin Resident
Izzatooona Enthusiast It sounds like they're talking about items the transferring account is the creator of... So like, for example, if I wanted to transfer things to my store bot and have her be the "creator" of my items, everything sent over would have to be something that lists squidpaladin Resident as the creator. When she receives it via this method, it would then become UnsaintedDoll Resident listed as the creator. I own both of these accounts.
That is what it seems is being described here, NOT squidpaladin Resident taking something created by Izzatoooona Enthusiast, sending it to UnsaintedDoll Resident, and then UnsaintedDoll Resident becoming the creator.
Izzatooona Enthusiast
squidpaladin Resident Ya, ok, I can see that. It wasn't clear at all. However, it's very easy - under 30 seconds - to rez a prim on your alt, link it as the root. Hide it. You're done. Your alt is now the creator. These transfer things are exploitable. Doing it yourself manually is not. This is one crazy idea that LL should NOT take seriously.
Toothless Draegonne
Izzatooona Enthusiast Now how do you make a fullperm branded account to sell fullperm stuff under, without turning your non-fullperm account into a source of fancy root prims?
This would solve that problem.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Toothless Draegonne "without turning your non-fullperm account into a source of fancy root prims?" ??????
Sorry, what?
Why don't you inspect some of your mesh clothes, if you wear any. You'll notice even the original mesh creators will have some meshes uploaded by other accounts, usually those are their alts. The only thing that matters is the store where the final product will be sold.
xaka Chayoo
When I saw this I was taken aback. That tool exists. Many years ago a tool such as this existed so the Lindens could collaborate in developing this that has become SL, it was exploited by some (beginning of copy bottling). A major problem arises with some developers stating that you may not share with your alts what you buy full perm, now you would state, but this is for the developer to share his/hers own builds with his/hers own alts , ok, hope there is nothing (sound, texture, poses, gestures, etc) developed by others that you are using in your build, and sharing, so you will have to be an all trades builder or developer (jack of all trades), or, the Lindens will have a nightmare scenario tracking all the permissions and being responsible for any IP violations, I'll stop here, but it gets worse, believe me.
Toothless Draegonne
xaka Chayoo The tool can dig down through the linkset and inventories, and warn or ask for what to do with parts not created by the person initiating the transfer. Copyright issues are a very surmountable problem.
SL Feedback
Merged in a post from Dictatorshop Resident:
Title: Ability to tie two alts (same owner) so that they can share (self-made) items with original creators permissions
Details: I would like to be able to (with support ticket) tie two alts together so they act as a a single alt for some aspects of inventory. By this I mean, I could pass my finished product packages to this alt2 (without changing any permissions, and presuming all contents are transferable) and that package would appear in the second alt's inventory with the exact permissions it has for the first alt.
This would allow me to have "off-site" storage of all my items, where, should the need arise, I could go back to the alt2 and send items back to my main inventory. All this without having to go change all the permissions on everything (so my own stuff is full perm to me on both accounts). This would allow for PAINLESS archiving. It would allow me to remove older stuff I probably won't need from my main inventory without losing it forever.
If i passed any of the items from alt2 on to any other account, all of the established permissions would apply just as if I had sent it from alt1.
Allowing the alt2 to take copies of my inworld work with the same permissions they have for me would be great as well. This is assuming the items are transferable; I am not trying to get away with anything by this request. But if you have ever tried to do this kind of backup to an alt without the permissions going wonky or missing changing something, you will understand the PAIN I speak of!
Dictatorshop Resident
SL Feedback I had seen this request but I think that mine is different in that I was NOT trying to share no transfer stuff between accounts. I think many creators will rail at their no transfer items being shared between accounts, and I do not blame them.
My request was more about, allow me to to treat this alt2 as though it is me (since it is me at the helm of both accounts) and allow me to share MY OWN stuff between my accounts with all of the permissions perfectly intact without me having to change anything. I feel this is a critical difference between this request and the one with which it has been merged.
NaluriMurai Lust
Dictatorshop Resident This is the exact intention of this request.
I should have clarified further like I did on BlueSky:
The way I see it implemented is:
- The user wishing to link inventories goes to their SL dashboard.
- They enter the Account Link Menu.
- They provide their required2FA credential, along with their password.
- They enter the username and password of the other account, along with 2FA credential.
- They are prompted with a in brief warning about account linking that:
1 - Once linked, these accounts cannot be unlinked.
2 - Sharing these accounts is a TOS violation and may be subject to punitive actions
3 - Your PII on both accounts will be made the same, and the other account will be unable to change payment information or PII, this must be done from the 'main' account'.
On the viewer, to access other inventory components, the end-user must actively revalidate username, password and 2FA token. This will be valid for the duration that their agent is connected.
Linking the accounts together alone would be enough deterrent, I feel. It'd permanently link the two/three accounts to the 'master' account.
And making the process wholly server-side would cripple any attempts at client-side circumvention.
Dictatorshop Resident
NaluriMurai Lust. I still don't feel I have gotten my point across. Let me try again. I ONLY care about an item the I MADE having the ++exact** same permissions for me and my alt. This would like to have a "back up alt" where I can send a finishes product without having to change the permissions. WITHOUT having to set it all to full perm so my alt has it full perm. I would like, for example, I wanted to set up an outlet store for the MP and have the dictatorshopoutlet.resident be a le to take the original package and resell it with the original no trans permissions, without all of the gyrations it takes to do this now.
I do NOT want to "share inventories" of other people's creations.
Nyx Onyx
Spidey Linden My post "Separate SL login account from inworld account" does not suggest a sharing of inventory - though of course I wouldn't mind it being an option! I don't think my post should be merged into this one.
Spidey Linden
Merged in a post:
Separate SL login account from inworld account
Nyx Onyx
I believe I've brought this up before, maybe it was on the Jira, but anyway, the way that it works with logging in Character bots now inspires me to bring this up again.
With Characters, what you see when you log in on the web are (in a way) multiple sub-accounts to your main account (not really, but in a way).
I would suggest to make something similar for regular SL accounts, such that you could have multiple sub-accounts to your main account, having all your alts in the same place. They would share one single logon, and when logging in with a viewer you could select in a dropdown list which sub-account you wish to log in with.
This also opens up the possibility to share alts with others (which has been requested by others), without sharing login information. These types of subaccounts should probably be tagged in some way, such as "commercial" for subaccounts managing a shop or rental land, knowable by others, so that it's known that they may not be talking with the same person as the last time they had a chat with it. When sharing, you should be able to have a list with main accounts with whom you share an alt with, and maybe some basic permissions given each, such as amount of L expenditure in a day or week, or whether they may alter Marketplace inventory, or other inventory.
A thing to consider might be whether a subaccount's profile should be exposing the main account, or not. Some will most likely argue for that it SHOULD, some that it SHOULD NOT, some might want it to be an option. The last variant is of course not requiring a change in how things work today, as you could be giving that information in your text, but that could also be said about the "Partner" box, yet it has a spot of its own today.
Thoughts on this all?
p.s. I have no idea which category to use, so I'll just go with one... you Linden may move as you think best... =)
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