Inventory Sharing between registered 'alt' accounts
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Rathgrith027 Resident
I've a large amount of content that I'd like to have access to on my alt. Things like clothes, like vehicles and the sort. Having to rebuy these items can be costly, especially if I like to create different accounts for personas and the sort.
We could solve this by allowing users to designate up to two (given the current 3 accounts/user restriction if memory serves) accounts to have access to a 'master' inventory, much like how the SL Library is accessible.
That being said, I can hear the lamentations of creators and the sort already, though let me posit this: To which percent of your sales are from people making alts? I doubt it's very many. And as for the legal and other concerns, I posit this: require residents report alts to Linden Lab, and make that a pre-requisite for being able to share inventory, along with having to agree that this service is for only the use of one legal person, and providing access to inventory to another person can be grounds for both accounts to be banned. I'm even for the idea of making this a premium feature.
Furthermore, I'd suggest that 2FA be a prerequisite for alts accessing inventory unless access is in a NC/NM/NT configuration on 'guests'.
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Merged in a post from Dictatorshop Resident:
Title: Ability to tie two alts (same owner) so that they can share (self-made) items with original creators permissions
Details: I would like to be able to (with support ticket) tie two alts together so they act as a a single alt for some aspects of inventory. By this I mean, I could pass my finished product packages to this alt2 (without changing any permissions, and presuming all contents are transferable) and that package would appear in the second alt's inventory with the exact permissions it has for the first alt.
This would allow me to have "off-site" storage of all my items, where, should the need arise, I could go back to the alt2 and send items back to my main inventory. All this without having to go change all the permissions on everything (so my own stuff is full perm to me on both accounts). This would allow for PAINLESS archiving. It would allow me to remove older stuff I probably won't need from my main inventory without losing it forever.
If i passed any of the items from alt2 on to any other account, all of the established permissions would apply just as if I had sent it from alt1.
Allowing the alt2 to take copies of my inworld work with the same permissions they have for me would be great as well. This is assuming the items are transferable; I am not trying to get away with anything by this request. But if you have ever tried to do this kind of backup to an alt without the permissions going wonky or missing changing something, you will understand the PAIN I speak of!
Dictatorshop Resident
SL Feedback I had seen this request but I think that mine is different in that I was NOT trying to share no transfer stuff between accounts. I think many creators will rail at their no transfer items being shared between accounts, and I do not blame them.
My request was more about, allow me to to treat this alt2 as though it is me (since it is me at the helm of both accounts) and allow me to share MY OWN stuff between my accounts with all of the permissions perfectly intact without me having to change anything. I feel this is a critical difference between this request and the one with which it has been merged.
Rathgrith027 Resident
Dictatorshop Resident This is the exact intention of this request.
I should have clarified further like I did on BlueSky:
The way I see it implemented is:
- The user wishing to link inventories goes to their SL dashboard.
- They enter the Account Link Menu.
- They provide their required2FA credential, along with their password.
- They enter the username and password of the other account, along with 2FA credential.
- They are prompted with a in brief warning about account linking that:
1 - Once linked, these accounts cannot be unlinked.
2 - Sharing these accounts is a TOS violation and may be subject to punitive actions
3 - Your PII on both accounts will be made the same, and the other account will be unable to change payment information or PII, this must be done from the 'main' account'.
On the viewer, to access other inventory components, the end-user must actively revalidate username, password and 2FA token. This will be valid for the duration that their agent is connected.
Linking the accounts together alone would be enough deterrent, I feel. It'd permanently link the two/three accounts to the 'master' account.
And making the process wholly server-side would cripple any attempts at client-side circumvention.
Dictatorshop Resident
Rathgrith027 Resident. I still don't feel I have gotten my point across. Let me try again. I ONLY care about an item the I MADE having the ++exact** same permissions for me and my alt. This would like to have a "back up alt" where I can send a finishes product without having to change the permissions. WITHOUT having to set it all to full perm so my alt has it full perm. I would like, for example, I wanted to set up an outlet store for the MP and have the dictatorshopoutlet.resident be a le to take the original package and resell it with the original no trans permissions, without all of the gyrations it takes to do this now.
I do NOT want to "share inventories" of other people's creations.
Nyx Onyx
Spidey Linden My post "Separate SL login account from inworld account" does not suggest a sharing of inventory - though of course I wouldn't mind it being an option! I don't think my post should be merged into this one.
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Separate SL login account from inworld account
Nyx Onyx
I believe I've brought this up before, maybe it was on the Jira, but anyway, the way that it works with logging in Character bots now inspires me to bring this up again.
With Characters, what you see when you log in on the web are (in a way) multiple sub-accounts to your main account (not really, but in a way).
I would suggest to make something similar for regular SL accounts, such that you could have multiple sub-accounts to your main account, having all your alts in the same place. They would share one single logon, and when logging in with a viewer you could select in a dropdown list which sub-account you wish to log in with.
This also opens up the possibility to share alts with others (which has been requested by others), without sharing login information. These types of subaccounts should probably be tagged in some way, such as "commercial" for subaccounts managing a shop or rental land, knowable by others, so that it's known that they may not be talking with the same person as the last time they had a chat with it. When sharing, you should be able to have a list with main accounts with whom you share an alt with, and maybe some basic permissions given each, such as amount of L expenditure in a day or week, or whether they may alter Marketplace inventory, or other inventory.
A thing to consider might be whether a subaccount's profile should be exposing the main account, or not. Some will most likely argue for that it SHOULD, some that it SHOULD NOT, some might want it to be an option. The last variant is of course not requiring a change in how things work today, as you could be giving that information in your text, but that could also be said about the "Partner" box, yet it has a spot of its own today.
Thoughts on this all?
p.s. I have no idea which category to use, so I'll just go with one... you Linden may move as you think best... =)
Kestrel Liveoak
As someone who's had to purchase multiple copies of items for secondary accounts, here's a concept; What about a "shared storage locker"? Limited to one other person, Locker registration (perhaps like a partnership with a fee), an item can be "deposited", moving it to the "storage locker", and can only be taken out and used by one person at a time, it would have to be returned to the "locker" to be removed and used by the other registered person. For some RPG players, similar to a "shared bank". Just a thought.
Ambrosia Caiben
It wouldn't be so bad if things where like they use to be. You bought a product and it came with all body sizes and almost the entire fit if not the entire fit. Yes there are a few that still do this (brands, ty for this) but many don't. You have to not only buy for each body but now outfits are sold piece by piece. I even had to pay for a hud just to change the button colors. I would love to share with my butt ugly noob first account. But I think in reality LL would scream costs to keep track of all the alts etc etc in regargs to trade marks and people would not want to verify and prove both accounts belong to them, same IP etc. There are so many other issues that need to be fixed.
Linn Darkwatch
There are a lot of reasons why this isn't practical in general. But - how about letting alts transfer No Transfer items from one to the other,
wiping the original from one account when passing it to the other
. You'd want a way to register the alts, as suggested and prove they have the same owner, perhaps by having the same registered payment account. That would somewhat mitigate the issue for merchants, since if both accounts want to be able to use something, they would each still need to buy it. But it would also allow transfer of items like artwork from a little-used to a more active account.Bleuhazenfurfle Resident
The merging of alt accounts would have to be irreversible, and dealing with items that are supposed to be unique per account, and other such gnarly issues, could be particularly problematic.
Personally, I'd use it to bring fourth outfits from an account I rarely use any more — many of which are no longer purchasable, because the shop simply doesn't exist.
And, I mean, in FirstLife,
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my alts can wear anything I buy!Clement Burney
This will never happen.
Kyrah Abattoir
Sounds like a breach of the "contract" between LL and content creators regarding the permission system.
A lot of things rely on the current definition of "no copy" or "no transfer".
And we all know what features like "steam family sharing" is really used for.
jackiewallace Resident
I do not support this idea. The result will -> you can buy only no copy items at the future. And the Linden Lab needs to listen for the law. So this is a died idea.
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