Make my profile really MY profile
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Tantrica Banana
Currently I am giving away a lot of information and can not chose it. Starting with my account-creation date (rezzday), going over payment info on file, all picks tabs, web tab, 1st life tab.
And, lets face it: a lot of people neglect picks tab, no one has any good use for the web tab and in the first life tab, many write simply "None of your business".
Result: profiles are overloaded with useless info and info i do not want to share.
Privacy is non existent.
I can hide my groups. but that's it about.
Why can't i freely select what other info i wish to share?
And this is purely a User-thing. No content would break. So, script checkers that allow parcel entry only for avatars meeting certain criteria (age, payment info) will still work, as they do not retrieve that info manually from the profile.
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Angelina Sinclair
Honestly like this idea.
It could help people be treated less like noobs and more as how the present themselves and act. I've know a few noobs who gotten help on their avas early on and were immediately accused of being an alt. I've been guilty of this as well.
There are also those who start over and rapidly make a new avatar for several reasons that would benefit from this and more easily integrate into communities without suspected of being an alt.
As for moderation, scripts can do that and land owner options can also restrict people from visiting. So overall the average person does not need to see any of that info.
There's also the inverse effect of people judging others based on missing payment info or very old avas. Such as a 10 year old ava not having a mesh body and being mocked for it.
Spidey Linden
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Jennifer Boyle
I don't mind my anything that currently can't be hidden in the profile being public, and I don't understand why anyone who was well-intentioned would. Rez day? Why would you not want people to know that? How does it harm you for people to know it, unless you intend to deceive them? Payment status is certainly useful. Why having none doesn't mean anything about an account, having it gives some assurance that the account is legitimate. As for picks and first life tabs, the only info on them is what YOU put on them; don't put anything there you don't want everyone to see.
Tantrica Banana
Jennifer Boyle
And i do not understand who anyone who was well intentioned would take offense if i like my privacy, thus my rezz date hidden. Simple :)
Jessica Hultcrantz
Overreacting.
Profiles have always been public, after the introduction of my.secondlife.com also available globally on the web.
There are decent web controls in place, in game is no issue.
Pro tip: all your PII is your own responsibility. If you don't want to expose your data, don't enter it.
Same old thing as the whole rest of the Internet. Think before sharing.
Account creation and PIOF data is really at Lindens discretion and a valid use case is identifying possible griefer accounts and bots.
Gezzz when I joined Second Life 18years ago learning about the profile was part of the orientation as I remember. And you couldn't even get your own UUID without a script.
Do we really want to go there again? Relying on all kinds of scripted gadgets to get the data?
As long as a datapoint is available at one place it will be out in the open, keep that in mind.
Tantrica Banana
Jessica Hultcrantz
"Pro tip: all your PII is your own responsibility. If you don't want to expose your data, don't enter it. "
you can not chose to not enter your rezz date.
"Gezzz when I joined Second Life 18years ago learning about the profile was part of the orientation as I remember."
and when i joined, everybody could always map you and TP directly to you.
"As long as a datapoint is available at one place it will be out in the open, keep that in mind."
but it is still my choice how i want it to be shown.
Jessica Hultcrantz
Tantrica Banana
Rez day is not PII. It's a no issue.
No one can "map"you unless you allow it first. That you can be found in the same region is another issue than "mapping".
Relax, profiles are governed by ToS, read it.
Tantrica Banana
Jessica Hultcrantz
A little less patronizing would give your arguments more credibility.. despite your tone i will still reply:
first: i wrote "when i joined, everybody could always map you". that has changed to now. and is an example how one can change things. Also i brought it because you referred to "when you joined".
I could reply to the other things. But the question really is:
why are you against it?
what is
your
personal advantage that it must stay this way?what is your gain here?
Jessica Hultcrantz
Tantrica Banana
Peace
No need to play hedgehog here.
But please get your facts right.
There has been no "mapping" in any official codebase since 2007 at least. You can opt in on a by friend basis, but in general no. Not unless you are wearing a scriped device designed to out your position still volouary and opt in.
Why chang what is working?
My standpoint is that there are much more urgent things to fix in SL than this, and as mentioned above account creation date is not personal identifiable information nor is it sensitive. Same with Payment on file. These are legitimate ways to help identifying accounts used for disturbing the peace intensionally, bots and griefers. As for any other årofile content we all can choose what to put there OR Not. That's my point.
No need to reply, I am out of here. let others discuss now.
Just don't let your personal ideas disturb SL as a global community, plz? Try the big picture.
kthksbye -->graceful exit
Tantrica Banana
Jessica Hultcrantz
"There has been no "mapping" in any official codebase since 2007 at least. "
I joined SL way before that year and when i joined, everyone was able to map everyone.
"These are legitimate ways to help identifying accounts used for disturbing the peace intensionally, bots and griefers."
There would still be scripts that can do the job. Additionally you could set your club/shop/place to something like "Info hidden? no entry for you"
Jeremy Duport
You might be misremembering. We didn't even have a concept of map rights (in the sense that you could not locate people at all, not that anyone was locatable) until the friends list was a thing, which succeeded a couple of years of calling cards.
Kimberly Lemongrass
I think profiles are okay the way they are. If you don't want to input any personal info, then don't do it, simple as that. If you want to leave any part of your profile blank, you can, you are not forced to put what you don't want in your profile. As for your account creation date (rez day), payment status, etc... there is nothing personal about those things, why hide them? There is no reason to hide those things at all. If you hide those things, it can cause a lot of difficulties.
Tantrica Banana
Kimberly Lemongrass
" it can cause a lot of difficulties." like for example which?
I do not see even one.
"why hide them?"
Because they are mine and it is my privacy. If i have to reason out why i do not want to share my data then we are at a really bad spot :)
Kimberly Lemongrass
Tantrica Banana
As for issues, how are we supposed to tell new accounts from old accounts? Griefers and trolls tend to make new accounts. Without account age being shown, how are we supposed to defend against the idiots? If it's not idiots, perhaps we just wanna keep new users out of an area for whatever reason. As for payment info status, sometimes, we need age verification to let someone in an area, so having status info about payment info used or on file is the best we got for age verification.
What's so private about your account age and whether or not you used your payment info? There is nothing private about those things. If you really don't want that kind of info shown, then get off Second Life and delete your account, it's that simple.
Tantrica Banana
Kimberly Lemongrass
"As for payment info status, sometimes, we need age verification to let someone in an area, so having status info about payment info used or on file is the best we got for age verification."
The info is not gone it is just hidden. so the land control/access via verificaton in the land settings would still work. Also there would still be scripts that can do the job. Additionally you could set your club/shop/place to something like "Info hidden? no entry for you"
"If you really don't want that kind of info shown, then get off Second Life and delete your account, it's that simple."
So, everyone who wants a change of the status quo should quit SL?
That is a cool view. not :)
Linn Darkwatch
Kimberly Lemongrass Or maybe someone is new and doesn't understand SL community standards like not walking into people's houses. (Something that is standard behavior if they're using to playing video games.) Knowing they're new makes me more inclined to talk with them and help them understand instead of blocking them or calling an admin. A lot of the time that's all it takes.
As you said, knowing a person's rezdate or whether they're a paid account is in no way personally identifying. Heck, we can't even see what viewer they're using anymore. It ain't broke, the Lindens don't need to fix it.
primerib1 Resident
> script checkers that allow parcel entry only for avatars meeting certain criteria (age, payment info) will still work, as they do not retrieve that info manually from the profile.
Bad guys will still use those scripts to grab your information anyway. It's just one additional step for them.
While non-bad guys now have more difficulty, say, trying to do sim moderation etc.
Tantrica Banana
primerib1 Resident
If this was really such a big and huge concern for "sim moderators" then the owner of the sim could chose "Do i allow entry when this info is hidden? yes or no?".
Easy solution and traffic would prove them right or wrong with that decision. But to be honest, all what it takes to keep griefers away is to introduce an age limit of some days. Because in most cases, a griefer is just an entitled person who got banned on their main and now hastily sets up new accounts because "it is their godam rite and they will show the owner" :)
So, i really would not get worked up about that. My moderators in my regions certainly don't.
Observation Arcana
A lot of people use the picks tab, a majority of profiles I've seen actually, no one is forcing you to use it. Same with the first life tab, even the main profile tab is allowed to be blank.
Stuff like payment info being on file or account age is good for moderators/staff to know on social sims. Stuff like avatar UUID is also how some scripts work, including some older security orbs, where blacklists and whitelists have to be manually added. I've even seen vendor systems that require UUID instead of usernames for gifting.
You argued in another reply that "store managers don't sit around reading customer profiles", meanwhile people who have public hangout parcels, clubs and what-have-you, sometimes hire people almost specifically to do that, to keep an eye on young or 'free' accounts to better judge suspicion if they're griefers/trolls/alts of banned people or just new players.
I don't really see a point to the lab's codefolks spending time to work on making profile tabs hide-able when they can just... be blank. Maybe a 'friends only' toggle on specific picks or first life tab at most?
Tantrica Banana
Observation Arcana
if they judge on account age i call it bias and it is altogether even more a reason for more privacy. to the other points, see my reply to another post here, which i will copy:
But to be honest, all what it takes to keep griefers away is to introduce an age limit of some days. Because in most cases, a griefer is just an entitled person who got banned on their main and now hastily sets up new accounts because "it is their godam rite and they will show the owner" :)
Soap Frenzy
Tantrica Banana 90% of accounts less than a week old floating around SL are griefers or bots. Nothing meaningful can be gleaned from rez date that can be used against you besides a quick judgement on whether or not someone needs to keep an eye on you. As others have said if you are worried what something you enter into your profile will bias people then don't enter it
Tantrica Banana
Soap Frenzy
"Nothing meaningful can be gleaned from rez date "
my point, exactly! so why show it?
Soap Frenzy
Tantrica Banana just gonna ignore the rest of the sentence I guess lol. Also if nothing meaningful can be gleaned then there's no point in being able to hide it
ConnieG Sorbet
SL could easily explore them as options, allowing us choose which parts of our profiles from the original suggestion we use or show, so that they can be hidden/unused, set to private, or perhaps even just shown only to certain friends (kind of like the way edit rights and map visibility work)
Personally, I use all the profile options, and I really hope nothing comes back to bite me in the future, but I totally respect those who want to keep things private and have their reasons for it. I honestly don’t think it would be too hard to add these options to our accounts.
Therefore I added my vote for this idea!
HollyKrampus Resident
I agree there is little privacy & groups are only hidden after not before.
Do we need to display our rezz dates, payment info. I don't thinks so. I also think hiding the uuid too should be implemented.
Most of that information is already present in the avatars account data. That alerts those with restrictions on SL age, payment status on their regions & stores etc that auto remove those not fitting the criteria.
There certainly isn't a person sat reading a profile to go swipe left or right.
Regarding privacy UUID account numbers should be removed from profiles.
That allows those using stalking apps to add you without knowledge or consent. Meaning the very many victims of these individuals forced to endure this or no choice to make a new account, costing them the victim to gain peace of mind.
Privacy should be upheld, I vote this up
primerib1 Resident
HollyKrampus Resident On the other hand, information such as rezz date and payment info can be used to kick griefers, because griefers are less likely to use 'veteran' avatars and/or do RL payment on that avatar.
Finally, some items provide blacklisting facility against agents, and the only surefire way for them to do this is by knowing the UUID of the blacklisted agents (display name and username can be changed).
Or, on the contrary, some items provide whitelisting, again the most reliable way (and cannot be spoofed) is by using UUID which residents cannot change.
So it's a question of whether you're gonna throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Soap Frenzy
HollyKrampus Resident removing uuid from the profile would accomplish nothing as llRequestUserKey exists and even if it didnt you can just parse the key off an http request from the my.secondlife.com site with a script
deesue Parx
Most of the tabs you have the option of leaving blank. As far as the top items.. the rezz date and payment on file have significance for many including store owners, and sim owner/managers. I for one request the opposite. Please don't hide this information.
Tantrica Banana
deesue Parx
so you think, a store manager is sitting all day in their store reading profiles? they do not. they rely on scripts. hence i added the last paragraph. "script checkers that allow parcel entry only for avatars meeting certain criteria (age, payment info) will still work, as they do not retrieve that info manually from the profile."
deesue Parx
Tantrica Banana I guess that depends on a variety of factors. Starting with size of business, type of land they are on, and how much hands on time they have in their business. I am on Linden land, I do not have full sim rights, and I still like reading the profiles of people who shop in my business. So quite possibly I am the odd one out here. I thought these categories were open to opinions on both sides. I am just stating my opinion.
Tantrica Banana
deesue Parx
as you said: you like to read profiles.
and i like my privacy.
I do not see how me shopping in your shop or any other shop connects to you liking to read my profile :)
If i shop, i am your customer. You can make special offers like "freebie for avatars younger than 90 days". or "Access only with payment info on file". there are scripts for that. no one would limit this in any way.
But just because you are "the odd one wanting to read my profile" does not connect to me shopping or not shopping in your store. these are two different things.
primerib1 Resident
Tantrica Banana If that info is easily retrievable by scripts, then what's the point of hiding it from the profile panel?
Bad guys can still grab those info, while innocent guys will be inconvenienced.
Kimberly Lemongrass
Tantrica Banana The same scripts can also be made to reveal this information to the owner, thus having the ability to "hide" that info be pointless.
Soap Frenzy
primerib1 Resident yeah exactly. this whole post is pointless if the idea is to still allow scripts to glean the information.
Toothless Draegonne
Soap Frenzy
It's worse. Being unable to identify a user with scripts would basically destroy any useful script in SL beyond a few flashy fx. Goodbye all those gametables if they can't grab who is playing. Byebye all vendors and tip jars if they can't pay you or accept your money.
If you want to hide, make an alt, like so many already do.
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