Moo Boo Doesn't work with no-mod deformers, btw

Moo Boo Unh? I am not sure where you hangout but the places I go easily have 50-101 avatars almost daily. Real players no bots.

Rheia Silvercloud, nothing to do with computers from 2011, it is because of several factors such as broadband date downloaded packet and LL server sim load. LL has to find a goldylocks mean else vast majority will have data capping implimented by service providers. Result sim crash, massive lag avitar complixity reduced to under cap limit.

steph Arnott To be honest, it's also about client-side issues, and those are built for lowest system possible to run SL circa 15 years prior. The sim itself, which isn't actually displaying the avatar (and thus suffers no lag regardless), isn't the primary point of issue here. The client, which DOES have to display the avatar at the chosen level of detail (dependent upon client settings) is the bottleneck and possible point of failure. Thus, LL sets things up with the idea that SL must run "acceptably" (a term as variable as I could possibly imagine, as I have never to this day seen what that means in terms of hardware vs. performance) on a machine approximately 66% of the age of SL in the first place. Currently, even a modest (and no longer commonly used, possibly defunct) service such as Digital Subscriber Line can handle the actual data bandwidth.

Rheia Silvercloud to be fair, furry avis have less of an issue there, as the parts are mod most of the time, so you can go to a sandbox, rez everything and link it together. I usually have the body separate, but link tail, ears, head, paws and one unrigged attachment together.

Human stuff creators usually don't give a mod option, so that's an issue for them.

Though as somebody doing a silly minigame on SL that uses stuff that breaks once it's linked together, and needs to attach 6 things just for it to work... yeah. ~50 attachment points should be more than plenty

AlettaMondragon Resident 😁

SL Feedback Another option, though one likely highly controversial in the eyes of both creators and Linden Labs would be to enforce bodies, heads, and other attachment / rigged items to be Copy/Mod/No-Trans, thus allowing the items to be linked together seamlessly to eat only one single attachment point. The same for clothing. This one change would permit avatars to make use of TWO attachment points if all body parts are linked and all (rigged) clothing items are linked, leaving only unrigged props and attachments as free-floating. This same method would also stop single-point overcrowding (too many attachments on a single point such as the Right Hand).

Rheia Silvercloud To be fair, if a user knows how to link stuff, they can also know how to change the worn on attachment point, making sure to not wear everything on the default position.

Though you gotta not expect everybody to know how to link stuff. A surprisingly huge amount of people on SL might spend a lot of time and money on the platform, but don't know simple modding tasks like creating physics, changing a texture or even just uploading a texture.

Rheia Silvercloud An interesting idea. I always wondered why it was important to most human mesh body creators to keep their bodies no mod. Unless it's some obsolete misconception of copybotting, I really can't see the reason behind it. This way it's not only that you can't link other things to them or their parts together, or fix shine issues without complicated HUDs, but we can't have separate left arm BOM tattoos on most bodies, even though the feature has been implemented in 2020. 6 years later only 3 major human mesh bodies have the feature, one only because it's modifiable, and if you don't want to use those bodies because of other reasons, then no left arm tattoo for you. It is nonsense given how expensive some clothes are even for one body, really discouraging people from switching to another body - even if the huge butt and short arms issues weren't a thing in those.

AlettaMondragon Resident You would be correct in the fact a large number of designers, both of clothing and of bodies, operate under the mistaken beliefs of a) no mod means it is somehow protected against copybotting or unauthorized alteration and b) that no-rez scripts or heavily broken-when-rezzed models prevents copybotting, especially of rigged mesh. Having attempted to discuss this matter a few years ago, I have found that attempting reasoned, logical discourse and discussion resulted in little more than being accused of being a "botter" myself, since how else would one even know how these things work. Sadly, that mentality maintains itself to this day.

In a few cases, I have also seen it that designers do not want their items linked, apparently under the belief that doing so destroys the uniqueness of their brand / name, which must be maintained.

Rheia Silvercloud It's the story of witchcraft in the modern day. At least we didn't get burned yet. That's apparently the overall progress we've made in 500 years. If we know how something works (or at least how it doesn't work) that some people are afraid of, they'll still say we're evil too.

As for the integrity of the image of a brand, that's really up to the creators, but especially when they limit features and obviously don't know how to make certain things, it is very disappointing. Then I just won't spend more than L$2500 on a body, since it takes a few thousands more to make it work and look how I want. Well almost, but still no left arm BOM. It should be as simple as hiding nails, but apparently isn't worth the minimal effort to implement it as a HUD feature for most creators.

AlettaMondragon Resident The last thing about no-mod I've seen, though far less frequently, has been designers feeling strongly that people whom are not (read not them or with their particular skill set) sully the design by having "amateur" textures put on it. It's been said to me a few times, but is still definitely a minority especially when compared above.