Automatic 1 sim navigable water around all land.
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Zequ Quartz
I think that there should automatically appear a 1 sim navigable waterway around any land of the mainland. When mainland expands, the buffer 1 sim waterway should expand with it. This way, naviable waters are always available.
If two lands join, elimating a waterway, it should appear in the closest edge to that lost one, making sure to provide a route around the lost waterway.
Thanks!
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Jazzimus Maxwell
Dead in the water....
Kyle Linden commented at 2019-11-06T18:56:37Z
Hi Jennifer,
Thank you for your suggestion. We've reviewed your request and determined that it is not something we can tackle at this time. Please try the Blake Sea regions for sailing.
Please be assured that we truly appreciate the time you invested in creating this feature request, and have given it thoughtful consideration among our review team. This wiki outlines some of the reasoning we use to determine which requests we can, or can't, take on: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Feature_Requests
Thanks again for your interest in improving Second Life.
Oatmeal Linden
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Hello, and thank you for your feature request regarding adding water regions around the mainland. This suggestion has been brought up in the past and will be set to tracked. We have no estimate when it may be implemented, but please keep an eye on future updates. We appreciate your input and encourage you to continue sharing your ideas to help improve Second Life.
One such related request may be found in the JIRA archive here: https://github.com/secondlife/jira-archive/issues/6011 (BUG-227814)
We have connected most of the non-Adult mainland continents via Bellisseria to provide additional public land for Residents, as we have no current plans to expand the existing mainland. Bellisseria continues to be developed with future mainland connections in mind and includes infrastructure to allow passage through the area by water and air-based vehicles.
We appreciate the lively discussions about using and exploring the existing waterways throughout the mainland!
SarahKB7 Koskinen
Oatmeal Linden - Sorry, but not a good enough answer.
The mainland continent coastlines are incomplete and/or inaccessible and require urgent fixing or upgrading with addition water regions.
Relying on the future expansion of Bellisseria to fix these problem is not the answer, as many of the inaccessible continent coastlines are not near to Bellisseria and most likely never will be either.
The worst affected continents are Sansara, Heterocera, Jeogeot, Satori, Nautilus, Gaeta I and even Bellisseria.
See attached map. Red areas are the inaccessible water routes of SL:
Oatmeal Linden
SarahKB7 Koskinen: Thank you for your input! We do not have plans to expand the mainland at this time. Perhaps at some future date!
AlettaMondragon Resident
This is a very vague idea and it doesn't work like this. First of all, a lot of areas already have water regions around them (for examle entire Gaeta V), so should the water regions automatically appear next to them too? Heterocera for example can be sailed around just not with particularly large watercraft EXCEPT one missing region. So this "should automatically appear" idea is not the greatest. Then there's the question of keeping the regions online 24/7, however to be honest LL keeps a lot of unused regions online anyway (for example many Bellisseria regions are deserted because many Linden Homes are unoccupied), so the resource use of regions that aren't always in use is not really a big problem for sure. The circumnavigation of continents or specific areas should be addressed locally though and only adding as many regions as really necessary because that allows for building things in those regions too. Copy-pasting empty default water regions would be like the Channel of Doom was between Jeogeot and Bellisseria before the Victorian and Houseboat areas reached Pyri Peaks. It was good as a temporary passage but it wasn't a nice experience to sail or fly through there.
diamond Marchant
Where to begin...
- Now that the non-adult continents are connected, one hopes that the main priority of LDPW with respect to water is to complete the obviously incomplete coastlines in Bellisseria.
- In general, Linden Lab is not creating new regions on Mainland, rather, private developers are and these usually are "public water" adjacent parcels.
- Linden Lab might add new mainland regions to solve problems at specific locales, for example, https://feedback.secondlife.com/ldpw/p/link-gaeta-i-to-corsica-and-perhaps-complete-it-and-maybe-also-gaetas-ii-iv
- If you look at that feedback, you will see a lovely map created by SarahKB7 Koskinen. It shows mainland coastlines that do not have edge water regions (using red lines). Decision to add water regions to these "ocean view" parcels would primarily benefit those parcel owners, not the general sailing public.
Bottom line... the boating community has a huge number of connected water regions. If you wish to own a parcel adjacent to protected connected water, get a Belli houseboat, water adjacent Stilt or Tiki home. If you want to rent a water adjacent parcel on mainland, there are a lot of them out there. Go look.
There is no compelling reason to "automatically" generate hundreds of new water regions.
Cuddles Supply
diamond Marchant None of your comments address navigation, which is what the OP addresses. Navigable waterways has nothing to do with home ownership.
It makes sense having extra regions because trying to navigate the skinniest of waterways while contending with general lag and heinous crossings can be completely fun breaking. About as much fun as the roads and skinny waterways that have regions corners right on the middle.
Adding regions would be better than trying to take back land.
diamond Marchant
Cuddles Supply My point is that water regions are not free. Linden Lab took literally years to finally connect the most of the continents and connecting all the large bodies of protected water. Adding additional regions that do not give us more connectivity should not be a priority. In fact, it could be a problem, as parcels purchased as ocean view would be upgraded to protected connected. These parcel owners would be winning the lottery. If your objective is to sail, rez a boat and plot a course from A to B. The fact that a short cut is not available is not a problem that Linden Lab should allocate scarce resources to resolve.
Cuddles Supply
diamond Marchant Navigable water
around
a continent is NOT a short cut. Look, it's clear you don't boat or you would know that. You'd also know that continent perimeters are places where the landowners already have clear ocean views
thus nothing is gained for them.As someone who boats, having navigable water is pretty important.
diamond Marchant
Cuddles Supply By short cut, I am suggesting that to travel from say, Yeeowler at the southern tip of Satori, to Intrepide on the north east coast, it would be shorter travel directly up the east coast. However, the residents on the east coast choose not to allow that. But you can get there by sailing clockwise around Satori.
The "gain" that I suggest might be unfair refers to a financial gain. As you may have observed, a coastal parcel adjacent to connected water is much more expensive to purchase than one that is not. Consider the Belli regions southwest of Stromberg. Linden Lab could have had these regions border the Satori coast, but they did not. Ever wonder why not? Similarly, why did they connect Belli to the East River of Sansara at Bleaberry Tarn, without adding any additional regions that border Sansara?
A bit of advice... in forums such as this, ad hominem attacks ("its clear you don't boat or you would know") do not aid your argument.
Leonardis Ducatillon
Cuddles Supply
As diamond says, it will not be financially viable for Linden Lab to hire hundreds of extra Regions from AWS (without essentially any revenue to counterbalance it), even if it might be nice for us all to have what you suggest.
Regardless of what you or I think about it, it simply isn't going to happen.
And I would point out - diamond is actually one of the most prolific sailors in SL and helps run one of the very large sailing groups, which sails all over SL. If she doesn't think it's viable, I would probably take note of it, rather than lobbing insults her way.
Chelsea Nightfire
SL needs more open water everywhere including Bellisseria! If LL wants to know how desirable being on water is to people, they may want to look at the for sale and rent parcels on Blake or the Sea of Fables. A few land businesses are hoarding waterfronts and making things completely unaffordable for most people. I've seen prime locations sit empty for literally years because the prices are so high. The remedy is to create more waterfront!
Sayumi Tsunenaga
This makes a lot of sense. See also, and support, another feedback along similar lines at https://feedback.secondlife.com/ldpw/p/please-complete-and-improve-all-mainland-continent-coastlines
BlueWall Slade
Water sims are not very resource heavy and this would only serve as a very good investment for LL to give serious consideration for implementation.
CorSakov Sosa
great idea !