Choices for Premium Plus instead of land or home
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Rosie Gray
As a Premium or Premium Plus member, I would like the option to choose a Linden home or use the credit against the mainland tier, as we already do. But I would ALSO like the option to use that credit toward the private community I prefer to live in and support.
For me, the main reason I am in SL is because of the privately held community of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators (CDS) that I've been a part of for the last 16 years, and I would really like to benefit the CDS with my Premium Plus instead of having a home or land somewhere else that I don't really care about.
So, I propose that something be worked out for this purpose. I'm sure other privately held communities would also appreciate the support of their members through their Premium or Premium Plus account benefits.
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AlettaMondragon Resident
I have this in a comment below but putting it up here for better visibility, a possible solution that seems fairly simple:
I think in this case the easiest and fair way to convert the allowance into private region contribution would be size-based, and maybe only in 2 steps for P+ members to avoid too much complexity in the system. That means a 1/64 and a 1/32 option, either donating your entire 2048 sqm allowance or only half of it. Since this is already covered in your P+ subscription, it doesn't affect your billing, obviously. The region owner, however, gets a discount from the region's monthly fee based on how many contributors donated their allowance to their region. So for example two P+ members donate all their allowance to one specific private region, the region owner gets 2/32 = 6.25% of the monthly fee off as long as those donations are in effect. This really couldn't be too difficult to implement.
Oatmeal Linden
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Closing as our billing processes cannot support the request as presented.
Milisandre Wicken
Would be a nice option to have a properly worked out framework for this. If I wanted to contribute my P+ land tier towards a community group on mainland, say, it currently could reduce their monthly tier, but only if my m² brought theirs down into a lower tier bracket.
I think making the much higher land tiers deductible and more granular-costed could help with this, ie my 2048m² deducted from a land owner's 4 and a half sims' worth would make a difference for them.
Lelani Carver
This is a great proposal!
SweetShaylie Resident
Hey, I'm not exactly sure what you are suggesting here but there is actually already a way for you to donate the land tier from your premium or premium plus membership towards an in world sl community, you can't directly diäonate it to another resident, but if the land is group owned which is the case for most private communities, you can donate the land tier to the group. And this will reduce the cost the group owner has to pay each month.
I know many people who have done this in the past.
Rosie Gray
SweetShaylie Resident yes I do know about that, but it's not what I'm looking for.
In the private SL community that I belong to we 'buy' the land from the sim owner, so people own their own parcels, and then pay tier to the region owner so the region owner can pay tier to LL. There is public land in the community, lots of it, but the land tier that I want to swap over from the 'free' land with paid memberships is for the owned land that I have. I would probably 'buy' more land from the region owner if I could apply a credit somehow so that the region owner can use that credit to pay the tier to LL.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Rosie Gray Seeing Oatmeal's corrected reply below, and that they think they can't provide a solution to this, I think the best you can do is to get a nice 2048 sqm parcel in a decent, popular area on Mainland (or 2 1024s), and rent it out, then you can use the income to support your community. So effectively, if you're lucky with the purchase, you can make more out of it than if you could just route the land allowance or its equivalent in money to the private estate, and this way your otherwise unused Premium land allowance can be turned into supporting the private estate.
Rosie Gray
AlettaMondragon Resident that wouldn't be a solution that actually addresses the issue, but yes, I could try and do that. I do have my 2048 sq m parcel, which I visit upon occasion, and it's in a nice enough area for mainland and considering there's never anyone around except for a few bots. I don't think anyone is going to rent it from me, and I don't particularly want to be a landlord either.
At any rate, I'm not surprised at the outcome, and I don't believe that they couldn't figure out something if they wanted to.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Rosie Gray No it indeed isn't anywhere near the solution that would be needed, it's just an option I thought of. Quite some extra work though that might not be really worth the effort. I was already sure at that way off AI-based first reply that they would just reject this, sadly I was right, but you know how it is, they preach about the community everywhere for advertisement: "we value our community and its members", "we've been building communities in Second Life for two decades", " helping our community do this or that", but when it is about a real issue that affects the community, for example here financing a community-driven estate of several regions, they say nope.
Dawn Enchantment
What I want as a premium plus member is the ability to purchase more prims for existing parcels, not forced to buying more land I won't use.
bella Bubbles
Great idea!!
Oatmeal Linden
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Hello Rosie! Thank you for the interesting suggestion. Currently, you may choose to support another Resident by transferring L$ from your account to theirs. If they choose to, they may then sell those L$ to fund their US Dollar Balance on their account which may in turn be used for their monthly region fees. More information about using your USD account balance may be found in the Knowledge Base:
It sounds like you are suggesting splitting US Dollar billing between Residents. There are several issues with this, one of which is the potential for exposing private information between accounts. Linden Lab strives to protect your and others' privacy, and our current billing processes support this protection. Our privacy policy may be found here: https://lindenlab.com/privacy
At some future point, this may become less risky for all parties, and we may review other billing processes which can allow more than one payment method to be applied for a community's home region.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Oatmeal Linden Whew, the AI went really wrong there. Rosie's suggestion is along the lines of contributing/donating land tier in a group that owns land, which doesn't share or expose billing information. The question is if it is technically possible for you (LL) to route a private region's payments through a land group, which would then work like in Mainland regions.
Or maybe just give P+ members the option to get the equivalent of a 2048 sqm tier in L$ added to their stipend instead of the land allowance, so then they could contribute to private regions with L$ payments?
Rosie Gray
Oatmeal Linden, this was not at all my suggestion. I think you need to read the idea again. Thank you.
Oatmeal Linden
Rosie Gray: I apologize for missing the first part of your request. Here is a further explanation of how our billing works! :-)
The mainland estate is owned by "nobody", and maintained by Linden Lab. Parcel land on the regions included in this estate may be owned by Residents, with fairly broad control over terrain and access. Your lease can be applied to your mainland holdings, and or used for your Linden Home parcel. Linden Homes are on a separate estate, also maintained by Linden Lab. Your parcel land is owned by your account, and any land use fees you may be paying help support these estates.
Private estates are billed to a Resident account, and they own the region(s) residing on it. The lease provided with your membership cannot be applied to parcel land on this type of estate, as the land is already owned by the estate owner. They may sell you or your group parcel land for L$, and those L$ may then be sold, etc. to support the region.
I hope that this helps clarify how your lease may be used, should you choose to do so.
Rosie Gray
Oatmeal Linden yes, I know how the billing works. I'm not surprised that my idea isn't being taken further, and I don't think it's because LL couldn't figure out how to make it work. You make it sound as though the private estates aren't owned by LL, which, of course, they are. This is all a matter of semantics.
Ellen Reinerman
Great idea ! I sincerely hope its given serious consideration, well done for suggesting it Rosie
Rowan Aurbierre
This is a great idea but would cost LL $$. I'm all for it but not holding my breath.
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