Keep the Zindra coastlines clear for boaters
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Eris Ravenwood
Y'all have been doing excellent work on New Zindra, but recently a few people have caught this insanity over on the east coast, which I've verified myself. You've parceled off water access, blocking the beautiful zindra beaches in favor of ugly mesh "island" rentals.
This blocks that shore from having water access, and uglifies that entire strip of land, making it far less desirable to buyers and renters alike. All for some land baron.
Don't do this. Please. Or if you're going to do this, at least put a protected waterway between the shore and these islands, and move the island parcels out further. But preferably, don't do this!
Pics from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/secondlife/comments/1uicpig/how_is_this_ok/
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Oatmeal Linden
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Hello everyone! This topic is being closed, as the discussion is better suited for the forums. Thanks for your input!
Eris Ravenwood
Oatmeal Linden This move is incredibly disappointing, since this is supposed to be the main venue for direct feedback. Makes me rethink my passion for mainland exploration :(
> Other prohibited land cutting includes subdividing land in a manner that decreases the ability of other residents to enjoy their land, collaborate and/or exercise land-management controls, or in a way that constitutes harassment of another resident
LL has subdivided this land in a way that decreases the ability of anyone who buys into those beaches to enjoy their land, and also decreases the ability to other residents to enjoy that protected waterway (which has been shrunk to give this land baron those water parcels). This seems to be against your mainland policies.
Oatmeal Linden
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Hello Eris! Thank you for your feedback. There is a connected system of waterways throughout the new Zindra regions, including a route along the newly built eastern coast.
Parcel owners in the area are subject to the same Terms of Service and Community Standards, so if you believe that a land owner is encroaching into the public waterway, please file an abuse report for the issue.
Eris Ravenwood
Oatmeal Linden well, the problem is that that you’ve parceled off the waterway so a land baron can uglify that coast with mesh islands and devalue the beaches.
If this land owner was entitled to coastal land due to holdings in gaeta I, beaches would be more appropriate (and look nicer) than these water parcels.
Those beautiful beaches had an opportunity to be something great and the first thing yall did was block them with those parcels.
Paul Hexem
Oatmeal Linden This is you guys giving a land baron permission to encroach though?
Elora Lunasea
Oatmeal Linden with all due respect, this doesn't address the issue of appearance. We all know it can take a very long time for abuse reports to get acted on, regardless of how egregious the offense may be.
Jelly Doll
Oatmeal Linden The rule should be that if someone desires the water between land and a protected water way, the parcel must also hold an equal amount of the adjacent land - These should all be 2048x1024 parcels at a minimum.
This land owner will put up a wall to block the land behind them, it's objectively worse than claiming 16sqm parcels along roadside to block road access.
It wasnt so long ago then such a land request would have been denied - This is why none of the other land lords moved from Gaeta1 asked - They didn't think there was any way Linden would allow it.
SarahKB7 Koskinen
Oatmeal Linden Give him a refund and remove those parcels. It should be reverted back to Protected Water asap.
Prokofy Neva
Oatmeal LindenPlease fly out to Neon Nights and surrounding sims to see the situation. Your own Governor Linden coastline land has now been turned into "waterbehind" that you
cannot
auction and will be forced to maintain as "protected" (32K? really, Oatmeal?) because you will never sell your "waterbehind" on the coast now blocked by 4096 textured boards. We totally get it that you don't like reversing customer purchases that were styled as legitimate. But you yourself should not set up auctions in a matter that devalue your own product for yourself and others. Auction the coastline -- the water that hugs the land on the coast. Leave the water lots further out "protected". the end. Maybe you cannot salvage this particular disaster, but don't do auction parcels like this again, please. Mind the view.AlettaMondragon Resident
Prokofy Neva Just one correction, this wasn't an auction but apparently Lex wanted these parcels in exchange for his Gaeta I lands and they just let him have them without thinking about the consequences. Other than that, you're entirely right. This also means, however, that this could be reversed by the Lab because these parcels weren't purchased but allocated in compensation for the Gaeta I shutdown. So they could just move him again or arrange his parcels correctly.
NaluriMurai Lust
We need to start demanding the lab put their foot down on shit like this across the mainland. This is the same crap that sends people to skyboxes and private estates.
Aly Leigh
Blasphemy. LL needs to realize they have to keep the game going, not make more people want to leave. Numbers keep going down you would think they would improve things in a positive way
Miro Collas
[sigh] Ember Coast region
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Monkey Banana
Miro Collas I'm glad you like our cube, I hope you come back to see the second cube upon it's completion.
Amie Blossom
That is absurd.
Why even bother with making all the rest of the new land the way it is? those eastern coast parcels were obviously going to be desirable with an infinite ocean view, allowing someone to buy up strips of land like that just ruins the entire look of everything else that has been done.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Amie Blossom And if he will see a bigger opportunity in selling those for ridiculous amounts of money, he will try that while also offering them for rent. Want to unlock that ocean view? Pay the highest waterfront prices in SL. I can definitely see that coming.
Prokofy Neva
AlettaMondragon Residentyes, watch this space. And Oatmeal himself needs to think how he will now unload his still unsold "waterbehind" now and perhaps that will graphically illustrate the problem better.
SarahKB7 Koskinen
Gaeta I was destroyed for this crap? Unbelievable.
Jelly Doll
This came up on the Reddit community discord the other day, couple of pictures from that discussion. I'm honestly lost for words. Why even make islands if they're going to be landlocked out of the box.
Mainland should be for for resident occupancy first and foremost, not landlords, scalpers or whatever the fresh hell this is.
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AlettaMondragon Resident
Jelly Doll This is exactly what he has been doing everywhere he gets water parcels. Weirdly he doesn't go for beach, as you can see what he did here, he asked for the full water parcels and this way he reduced the value of the land between the road and his parcels.
I'm not sure if that's a deliberate strategy to get that land later. Knowing him, it probably is. He is one of those that will use any means to chase his neighbors away when he wants to expand, and then he doesn't even keep the land, usually just flips it.
Prokofy Neva
AlettaMondragon ResidentA score of land barons use this "waterbehind" and "water-in-front" scheme for extortion to "buy back the view" all the time. This particulara situation is strange because it involves unauctioned Linden land being the victim, not existing owners who are end users or re-sellers. Maybe if the Lindens have to live with this situation themselves in the land market they will change how they parcel and how they sequence auctions.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Prokofy Neva They really like Lex
for some reason
.Prokofy Neva
AlettaMondragon ResidentWe can say from vast and ample experience in the land market everywhere that yes, indeed, this is a deliberate tactic to force "buying the view" on hapless waterfront and water parcel customers. Seemingly free water passages not set to sale are often part of this gimmick -- then they, too, suddenly go to sale and often suddenly sprout ban lines and get set to crazy prices, and not merely to show up on the map. This is a typical tactic. That this person is doing this deliberately to manipulate current or future customers isn't clear to me because I don't know him or his practices. I have to say that he does not have customers yet. To be sure, as awful as it may seem, there is a market for cheap rentals on flat sand-textured boards out on clear water even though perfectly nice actual landscaped sandy coast with waterfronts could have been made instead, but they might have to sell for more OR not be amenable to extortionist practices like "waterbehind" and "buy back the view". Watch this space.
chesse Vyceratops
this needs to be fixed not only is the water not clear for boaters the people who will eventually own that beach front land will not even be allowed to use the ocean given to them due to being trapped by ban lines/ security orbs
AlettaMondragon Resident
They will shut down 51 full protected water regions at Gaeta I and they won't add any of them to other sea areas, I think that's a clear statement on what they think about sailing.
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