Give creators the ability through CasperVend to add their listings to Marketplace
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Skot Kinsella
The Second Life Marketplace is overdue for a major overhaul. Cluttered with outdated prim and sculpted items, it feels like a digital relic—a stark contrast to the vibrant, ever-evolving world of Second Life itself. While Linden Lab encourages residents to embrace progress, the Marketplace remains stagnant, leaving modern buyers with fewer compelling options.
Meanwhile, today’s top creators are bypassing the Marketplace entirely, choosing instead to debut their latest releases at in-world events. This shift makes sense—events generate excitement and exclusivity—but it shouldn’t come at the cost of a neglected Marketplace.
Now that Linden Lab owns CasperTech, there’s a golden opportunity to bridge this gap. By integrating CasperVend’s powerful tools directly into Marketplace listings, creators could enjoy the best of both worlds: the buzz of event launches and the reach of the Marketplace. Imagine allowing creators to set delayed Marketplace listings, ensuring their items premiere at events first while still reaching a broader audience later.
This isn’t just about cleaning up old listings—it’s about revitalizing the Marketplace as a dynamic, creator-friendly hub. By modernizing its functionality, Linden Lab can empower creators to sell more while giving shoppers a better, fresher experience. The future of Second Life commerce depends on it.
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Journey Bunny
Ooh, yea, especially since a web hook already exists in the other direction (Casper and other vendors can
get
marketplace data to sync up purchases and redeliveries), would be nice to see a protocol--one LL could make work with Casper, but publish for all--to make a vending system put data in
to the MP to create a listing would be really nice. (With appropriate rate limiting to prevent a script from generating a trillion marketplace listings)
Spidey Linden
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squidpaladin Resident
Even though I'm a creator that uses CasperVend, I do NOT think that CasperVend integration into marketplace like what you propose is a good solution. This shuts a Marketplace upgrade out to those who don't choose to use CasperVend, and that's not fair. Marketplace updates to listing should not require any specific vendor system, they should stand on their own.
DeNasty Tigerpaw
squidpaladin Resident I agree completely. I also don't see any need to punish creators who have listings for non-mesh items. Let us have our few L$ from the occasional sale. Folks can narrow their search terms to ignore us.
squidpaladin Resident
DeNasty Tigerpaw That, too! Though, I make non-mesh items primarily myself and still use CasperVend. I just think its monopolistic to suggest that Marketplace should be updated with CasperVend.
DeNasty Tigerpaw
squidpaladin Resident It really is! And how often do we STILL hear about CasperVend being down? If MP is tied to it, how would that help MP?
Skot Kinsella
squidpaladin Resident,
The criticism that integrating CasperVend with the Marketplace would "shut out" non-users misunderstands the proposal’s intent—and worse, risks stalling progress entirely. Here’s why this integration is a pragmatic starting point, not an exclusionary endgame:
The proposal doesn’t suggest that Marketplace upgrades should require CasperVend. Instead, it recognizes that Linden Lab now owns CasperTech, making it the most efficient way to pilot features like delayed listings or event-first sales. These tools should eventually be native to the Marketplace, but waiting for LL to build them from scratch could take years. Why not use the infrastructure that already exists?
Many major creators use CasperTech. Treating it as just "one vendor system" ignores reality: it’s the backbone of in-world sales. If LL can fast-track Marketplace improvements by integrating with their platform, that’s not unfair, it’s practical.
Opposing interim upgrades because they’re tied to CasperVend prioritizes ideological purity over tangible progress. The Marketplace is dying from neglect. While we should demand universal improvements, refusing stopgap measures only hurts creators and buyers who need solutions now.
The ideal scenario?
Linden Lab rolls out these features natively to all creators. But until that happens:
Let CasperVend serve as a testbed for features that could later go platform-wide.
Push LL to commit to universal upgrades, but don’t block progress for willing creators in the meantime.
The Marketplace can’t afford more delays. If optional integrations help LL deliver improvements faster, they’re a win, not a threat. The goal isn’t to favor one vendor system, but to fix the Marketplace by any means necessary.
Let’s stop debating “fairness” in a broken system and start demanding action.
squidpaladin Resident
Skot KinsellaI'm not alleging that NOTHING should be done instead of using CV for the Marketplace. If you read, I want them to fix MP without making it some CV tie-in. I don't think we should encourage band-aid fixes, given how long some of those have allowed features and fixes to get stalled in the past.
I am going to always suggest that a level playing field be at the forefront of most fixes. I am not debating fairness; it's hardly a debate. I am openly discouraging a monopoly, which SL is unique in the virtual world social game landscape for not having as the default. They can and should make feature updates and quality of life upgrades that go to everyone.
The Marketplace can and should be updated and made easier to use in its own right.
Skot Kinsella
squidpaladin Resident
I find your responses a struggle. You want SOMETHING to be done, but just not what I'm proposing.. but you're also not really making ANY suggestion, beyond it being "a level playing field". Idealistically, that's a lovely idea... but it doesnt offer any vehicle or agency or give any hard concrete ideas. So what do you propose?
squidpaladin Resident
Skot Kinsella If I'm frank, your post here contains about the same amount of concrete solutions, "By integrating CasperVend’s powerful tools directly into Marketplace listings[...]" which implies something vaguely based on the reader knowing what features CasperVend has but provides no detailed guidelines for the implementation of this concept.
If the answer were simple enough to be composed and realized in such a short amount of time (roughly a day since I've seen your post) then certainly the poor state of the Marketplace would not be so long-standing. Its not a simple solution, I merely feel that encouraging a monopoly by directing integrating CasperVend is a poor choice. It would be well another to, say, ask Linden Labs to consult Casper Warden and the CasperTech team, but they can just as easily already do that, to say nothing of the monthly talks that have been held between LL and the SL creator community which have ostensibly broached this topic.