A reversal of standing company policy and doctrine on generative Artificial Intelligence
Rathgrith027 Resident
For the past nearly 22 years, Second Life has been a bastion of creativity and and expression, providing un-paralleled experiences that even to this day, its' competitors cannot properly match.
However, it seems that Linden Lab, in the face of opportunity with the metaverse's* growth in recent years in the face of aggressive funding and pursuits by the tech industry, has failed to respect its' userbase.
Artificial Intelligence, at large, whilst providing a valuable resource in countless fields, also poses great risk to Second Life's future if left to be exploited without restraint.
Generative AI provides no intellectual property protections (Naruto v. Slater, No. 16-15469 (9th Cir. 2018)), is overwhelmingly trained on unauthorized data with clear and concise intent to replicate the works of those without consent or authorization (https://hbr.org/2023/04/generative-ai-has-an-intellectual-property-problem), causes great harm to the environment (https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about) , and of relevance to Second Life's continued viability as a platform - jeopardizes the place of human workers in an economy not fit to sustain them lest they lose their job as a result of supplantation by AI. And what is more, many experts have stated that the AI bubble is doomed to burst at some point in the next 2-3 years, which would undermine any investments by Linden Lab into AI technology, especially as AI has become a literal money sink. (https://gizmodo.com/github-copilot-ai-microsoft-openai-chatgpt-1850915549)
In the face of this, Linden Lab has refused to adopt protections for its' creators against artificial intelligence being used on their assets, has refused to adopt strategies to mitigate low-quality AI slop from being disseminated through the marketplace, which muddies results and makes searching difficult, and with technologies like ConvAI's bots, exacerbates the undying argument that Second Life is 'dead', when all people will likely come across, are poorly coded bots with little guardrails that can be exploited and in turn, leave the bot operator vulnerable, for little if any benefit to our residents.
And in the face of constant negative feedback from the residents who support our home, Linden Lab has decided to double down on AI by using it in promotional material, which once again, fails to reflect the reality of our platform to an audience that likely will have the retention rate of ground beef rotting away in the sun. All the while, many of our residents have been given no choice but to at worst, abandon SL, or at best, withdraw all financial support to the platform. Even I, have been contemplating the latter by selling my land, and ceasing my Premium Plus membership.
As such, I, [REDACTED 1], along with those who support this request, issue the following demands of Linden Research, d/b/a Linden Lab:
- Immediate sunsetting of the ConvAI bot system within 90 days of approval of this request.
- A permanent ban on the commercial use of generative artificial intelligence in Second Life in any capacity, with moderate warnings for infringers, or explicit bans for use of generative AI that directly undermines an creator on our platform.
- Assurances by Linden Lab Product Operations, Marketing and Development teams that under no circumstances will Linden Lab in the future, pursue the use of generative AI as part of the development, maintenance, promotion or support of the Second Life platform in any substantial capacity.
You as Lindens have an obligation to ensure the sustainability of your sole product that is now keeping your corporation afloat, and has reliably done so for the past 22 years, lest you decide to throw caution into the wind in the face of constant anger and frustration of your userbase, and cause many of the creators who you have championed and laid host for all of this time to abandon Agni for sunnier shores. These people are your lifeblood, the very reason why Second Life exists, and when they go, their customers will follow. And when their customers follow, the barons who already hemmorhage money paying for simulators will take flight from here, and all of Agni will implode in on itself.
And it all could be avoided. Even in the face of the age of AI, we can stand the test of time, as we have for nearly my entire physical life, at the halcyon age of [REDACTED 2].
Whether or not we do, is up to you and your abettors - to come to the table, accept humility, and ensure a future for our home that does not lean all in on the dystopia that others seem content with.
* The Metaverse, referring to the collective of virtual worlds (i.e. Activeworlds, Second Life, IMVU, There, VRChat, etc.)
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sarahjayjay Resident
A good creator does not need AI or photoshop. I am VERY wary of those who use it and won't purchase from them. It is quite obvious when it is used. False advertising, imho. Should a creator wish to use this in the ad, then please state so. Please let us know the hair was photoshopped, skin was lightened, etc. As stated, previously, a good creator will never have to 'doctor' a photo. When I joined SL, I purchased a skin from an ad. The ad read to achieve the desired look in the photo use x,y,z. I purchased x,y,z and looked nothing like the ad. I was told the ad is a representation of how you COULD look. Oh really? You took 3k from me after your ad stated I was going to look like that. I know plenty of others who have had same experience. There should be consequences for those designers who fail to produce a product, as shown on the ad. Recently, I have been seeing ads, from a few designers, stating AI was used on the photo. To those, a huge thank you! However, as I am thankful for your honesty, I am, also, wary as to WHY it was needed in the first place.
Tycho Beresford
I think AI has the potential to be a wonderful addition to Second Life. Viable agentic AI is just around the corner and will make our rich, vibrant world even better.
Nerxual Oh
Tycho Beresford Gen Ai no. AI itself, that depends. Gen AI harms the planet, kills jobs and everyone's livelihoods. Curse at google search and educate yourself on why 80%+ of the world hates gen ai. We can not kill the platform and our only planet we live on
Devilgrey Resident
finally getting an Ai-roundtable. make sure to submit your concerns to the lidens here too
VanessaChristy Resident
A recent Primfeed poll showing 2010 user votes.
Primfeed is neutral since AI is allowed and should be seen as a good example of the overall view of AI
Dana Enyo
I figure all I can really do is draw my own line on "creating with AI." And I draw it as far over as I can: I will not knowingly use AI content or tools for anything I create in any medium (like writing this comment, for example). I've put that statement on the home page of my Website. That "knowingly" is important, because I know it's going to be buried deeply more and more in the software and tools that we use; fortunately, my ancient Photoshop still requires everything to come from inside me.
Oh, and if I come upon ANY AI bot in SL, I block it immediately.
Nerxual Oh
A heads up y'all. reuters just made an article about LL using OUR data for their sloppy ai. No surprise there. They pulled a move like meta; facebook/intsagram/tiktok/pininterest.
"Second Life (Linden Lab): This virtual world platform faced the challenge of providing personalized support to its vast and diverse user base. Qurrent's AI workforce was deployed to augment the human support & product teams, handling complex inquiries and freeing up human agents to focus on their core competencies. The AI agents were trained on a massive dataset of user interactions, enabling them to understand the nuances of the virtual world and provide tailored responses. This resulted in improved customer satisfaction, increased community engagement, and a more cohesive experience."
Which we all know ai like chatgpt can't make anyone happy. AI bots hallucinate, can't form their own opinions, get details wrong pretty fast, typing up long paragraphs that make little sense.
MaxThunderhooves Resident
So this is why support ghosted my ticket half year ago.
Philip Linden
Nerxual Oh I mentioned in the Town Hall as well: This article refers to the Feedback tool... feedback.secondlife.com. Qurrent trained on the public feedback and jira articles, not on any in-world data. The AI reads new bug and feature entries and tries to find similar ones... a task humans can't perform.
Airimo Evergarden
I am in agreement with this very well worded feedback: generative ai is a plagiarism machine that offers no benefit to the people of SL. we value art and this is an artists' platform and world. we value intellectual property protections and the rights of artists to the destiny of their works.
Rathgrith027 Resident
To all concerned parties, both proponents and opponents to Generative AI:
Philip Rosedale, as per his statement at the March 14th, 2025 Community Roundtable, has announced a dedicated AI roundtable that will be taking place in the coming weeks.
Please watch official Linden Lab channels for more details.
Miro Fairelander
So, I visited the Skin Fair event yesterday, and couldn't help but notice that almost every other booth seemingly either had AI altered (or at the very least, heavily photoshopped) vendor images that looked nothing like what you'd get in SL, AI generated logos/decorations in the store branding, or actual AI generated content in the products being sold.
I struggle to see how the use of AI generated content in Second Life is anything other than false advertising/scamming. Of all the AI content I have seen at various events (including, again, BIG notable events like Skin Fair) I have not seen a single store that has clearly stated that they use AI.
If AI content is "just another way to create" and "the future" then why is nobody proudly stating that they use AI?
If AI isn't so bad and we're just grumpy old farts who hate change, then why don't you have "Enhanced with futuristic AI technology!" written on your vendor ads so everyone can know how super futuristic and innovative you are?
Like most here, I'd strongly prefer it if it was disallowed on Second Life entirely. I see very little artistic value in AI, beyond being amusing when it garbles text or gives someone 16 fingers. But it mostly just churns out low quality content, from vendor ads that are blatant false advertising, ugly store branding with melting details, flawed textures, mesh with terrible optimization/bad topology, and so forth.
But at the very LEAST there should be some kind of rule about mandatory AI labeling. We should be able to filter it out from the Marketplace, and in in-world events, customers should know whether or not something has been AI altered so they don't get scammed.
Also, event managers should be better about this, please consider adding a "No AI content" rule to your event. If I see an event full of AI slop I probably won't return to it again, and I probably won't sign up as a creator myself.
Devilgrey Resident
Miro Fairelander yeah its annoying hard to not find skin makers that don't use AI-enhanced photos. i basically ignore skins from all the popular vendors because of this. even newer mesh heads have this issue. then of course none of these ads mention its AI-enhanced.
Dana Enyo
Miro Fairelander Totally agree.
I make clothes, not skins. But my vendor/MP photos are not tweaked with Photoshop; I even shoot in a mirror so you can see the back (I used to greenscreen the back shot and cut-paste that image in.). I shoot video of everything so you really can see exactly how the outfit looks in motion (and I've thrown out finished outfits that didn’t measure up). I have "NO AI" signs up in my shops and a statement on my Website home page. I'll do anything I can to keep AI from creeping in to any photo, video or garment I make or any text I write.
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frankyjake2333 Resident
What a load of buffalo droppings. So much ignorance in this thread, at this level it should hurt. If these poor "artist" didn't want their precious little pictures used for ai training them maybe they should have kept them off the internet. Ai art isn't going any where, its a new tool and is every where. If you don't like it, well, tough. Get with the program or get left behind!
Rathgrith027 Resident
frankyjake2333 Resident
Just two questions for you.
One, why the throwaway account?
Two, what is with you people and liking your own comments? Are you all terminally on reddit or something? Asking for a friend.
Chanticleer Evergarden
Rathgrith027 Resident I don't think they know that the likes are public.
Catloaf Blep
frankyjake2333 Resident I find your disdain for artists really bizarre when you're using a platform that literally wouldn't exist or function if artists didn't put their work on the internet.
hexidimentional Hamaski
frankyjake2333 Resident A 10 month old account doesnt really have any right to claim to know what's right for secondlife.
nulshift Resident
frankyjake2333 Resident What's wrong? Too afraid to post this on main?
Dana Enyo
frankyjake2333 Resident NOBODY knew, for the first decades of the Internet, that there was any chance of their creative work being used in this way. How the wholesale scraping of original content is legal under DMCA and the Copyright Act is totally beyond me.
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