A reversal of standing company policy and doctrine on generative Artificial Intelligence
Rathgrith027 Resident
For the past nearly 22 years, Second Life has been a bastion of creativity and and expression, providing un-paralleled experiences that even to this day, its' competitors cannot properly match.
However, it seems that Linden Lab, in the face of opportunity with the metaverse's* growth in recent years in the face of aggressive funding and pursuits by the tech industry, has failed to respect its' userbase.
Artificial Intelligence, at large, whilst providing a valuable resource in countless fields, also poses great risk to Second Life's future if left to be exploited without restraint.
Generative AI provides no intellectual property protections (Naruto v. Slater, No. 16-15469 (9th Cir. 2018)), is overwhelmingly trained on unauthorized data with clear and concise intent to replicate the works of those without consent or authorization (https://hbr.org/2023/04/generative-ai-has-an-intellectual-property-problem), causes great harm to the environment (https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about) , and of relevance to Second Life's continued viability as a platform - jeopardizes the place of human workers in an economy not fit to sustain them lest they lose their job as a result of supplantation by AI. And what is more, many experts have stated that the AI bubble is doomed to burst at some point in the next 2-3 years, which would undermine any investments by Linden Lab into AI technology, especially as AI has become a literal money sink. (https://gizmodo.com/github-copilot-ai-microsoft-openai-chatgpt-1850915549)
In the face of this, Linden Lab has refused to adopt protections for its' creators against artificial intelligence being used on their assets, has refused to adopt strategies to mitigate low-quality AI slop from being disseminated through the marketplace, which muddies results and makes searching difficult, and with technologies like ConvAI's bots, exacerbates the undying argument that Second Life is 'dead', when all people will likely come across, are poorly coded bots with little guardrails that can be exploited and in turn, leave the bot operator vulnerable, for little if any benefit to our residents.
And in the face of constant negative feedback from the residents who support our home, Linden Lab has decided to double down on AI by using it in promotional material, which once again, fails to reflect the reality of our platform to an audience that likely will have the retention rate of ground beef rotting away in the sun. All the while, many of our residents have been given no choice but to at worst, abandon SL, or at best, withdraw all financial support to the platform. Even I, have been contemplating the latter by selling my land, and ceasing my Premium Plus membership.
As such, I, [REDACTED 1], along with those who support this request, issue the following demands of Linden Research, d/b/a Linden Lab:
- Immediate sunsetting of the ConvAI bot system within 90 days of approval of this request.
- A permanent ban on the commercial use of generative artificial intelligence in Second Life in any capacity, with moderate warnings for infringers, or explicit bans for use of generative AI that directly undermines an creator on our platform.
- Assurances by Linden Lab Product Operations, Marketing and Development teams that under no circumstances will Linden Lab in the future, pursue the use of generative AI as part of the development, maintenance, promotion or support of the Second Life platform in any substantial capacity.
You as Lindens have an obligation to ensure the sustainability of your sole product that is now keeping your corporation afloat, and has reliably done so for the past 22 years, lest you decide to throw caution into the wind in the face of constant anger and frustration of your userbase, and cause many of the creators who you have championed and laid host for all of this time to abandon Agni for sunnier shores. These people are your lifeblood, the very reason why Second Life exists, and when they go, their customers will follow. And when their customers follow, the barons who already hemmorhage money paying for simulators will take flight from here, and all of Agni will implode in on itself.
And it all could be avoided. Even in the face of the age of AI, we can stand the test of time, as we have for nearly my entire physical life, at the halcyon age of [REDACTED 2].
Whether or not we do, is up to you and your abettors - to come to the table, accept humility, and ensure a future for our home that does not lean all in on the dystopia that others seem content with.
* The Metaverse, referring to the collective of virtual worlds (i.e. Activeworlds, Second Life, IMVU, There, VRChat, etc.)
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nulshift Resident
So, we finally got an update. And it's bad news.
"Are other AI features coming?
Yes. We are actively and cautiously experimenting with other AI technologies to enhance Second Life’s creative potential, performance, and immersion. The insights from this project are already helping to inform future efforts."
I'm not giving them any more money. And I'm not going to let anyone else do it through my store either. All my shit is going down to free.
Devilgrey Resident
nulshift Resident not surprised honestly, especially since philip is all into ai, sl pushing ai-npcs, and the ai-test ads fiasco.
Devilgrey Resident
nulshift Resident here's a summary of the SL townhall that gives light into potential ai features that LL may implement: https://modemworld.me/2025/04/20/second-life-town-hall-ai-the-future-of-our-virtual-community-summary/
Now captions, and translation are two ai features i could see actually being beneficial.
the rest of potential ai features feel pointless because all of it is things users can do outside of SL if they really want to use gen-ai. Feels like a waste of resources and money on LL's end to implement gen-ai when ppl can just bring outside ai-generations to sl already. Ai-search can also be garbage. and making ai-npcs romantic partners just feels predatory as all chat-bots of that nature are.
edit: bringing gen-ai features into SL is like LL if they were to bring blender or photoshop into SL. it's pointless because well people can already use blender or photoshop without logging into sl. it's redundant imo.
Devilgrey Resident
i don't like gen-ai for many reasons, and have no plans to use it in my work. Even tho i don't agree with it, there some ppl that are going to use ai regardless of if it's ethical or not.
so many other platforms like steam, zepeto, ao3, and even social media have made AI content labels or policies. i think it's about time SL implemented an AI-policy too. It's over due.
copying from my comment on "Add marketplace policy regarding AI generated content" request:
Zepeto which also has user-generated content uses ai labels for photo booths, animations, or products sold. It either is a simple “ai” label or “ai-assisted.” I think doing something similar in the marketplace can help with transparency while also allowing people to filter out AI content if desired.
Secondlife could take a similar approach by having several options for users to label products made with ai such as “ai”, “ai-enhanced,” or “ai-assisted.”
I believe regardless of the percentage of ai used, if ai was used for a product then a label should be required.
zoku Runo
Devilgrey Resident The main part is how many Sloppers (my personal term for people who uses Gen AI now) are gonna actually be honest if their work is AI or not? That's the main issue here, because a lot can simply hide behind the facade of being a "real" artist until someone or something happens that exposes them
Gen AI in general is not useful, it's not needed, in fact AI should be outright removed or contained in their own little sphere with limited access than letting everybody in the world have access to it.
Nerxual Oh
zoku Runo Gen ai users were never honest in the first place. They didn't know how to use copybotter viewers or apps, whatever is out there to take without permission. Now that gen ai models are out for everyone to abuse and pay for, they stick to that because now it's hype for desperate quick cash grabs, regardless how anyone feels about it.
The fact it's not limited access, should click for everyone too. If gen ai was really the big beautiful change of all time. Then why is it open access for everyone? CEOs and other greedy billionaires would want to horde that for themselves. Instead, they are fully aware it's massive flaws and lets others they think so lowly on, abuse it. It's taking candy from a baby is their mindset.
Devilgrey Resident
zoku Runo i dont like ai, i find the way it's built unethical and it can be used to cause harm. I want the companies creating Ai to be regulated and held accountable because the companies are the biggest reason this whole mess exists anyways. i wish people didn't use ai. but it's their choice even if i think it's a bad one.
i do realize lots of people lie about AI-generations being their own work. i have also seen people be honest about it using ai too. I'm just hoping if there ai-tags are implemented that means ways to report un-tagged stuff are created too. reporting could help prevent users lying about AI-generations.
Not defending ai, gen-ai is useful to the people that love it. because if it wasnt, gen-ai use would've died by now, and we wouldn't see the slop everywhere. it feels useless to lots of people with the skills gen-ai deems to replicate, but to the people lacking those skills it's useful even if the results are mediocre.
Devilgrey Resident
Nerxual Oh
Yes for lots of peoples looking for quick cash with no effort, gen-ai is the hot new way to do this. it used to be stealing images off google, or ripping other content offline. same thing, new method basically.
Some ppl lie about it. i don't think necessarily banning ai will outright stop it either. those ppl will continue to lie or skirt bans. Since LL has done nothing at this point, i feel like it's going stay in this limbo unfortunately. Also kinda have a gut-feeling that LL will allow ai-content, because they're so pumped on keeping the ai-bots. I just hope LL create ways to filter out ai-stuff, and to report un-labeled stuff if they actually do make AI-disclosures a thing.
I know AI hype is just billionaires trying to squeeze out as much cash before the bubble pops. AI isnt profitable for these companies. it wont be free to use once they stop raking in millions of investor money. These companies are banking on people coming dependent on ai, and signing up for a subscription down the line. which is why they're pushing ai into everything and everywhere. Also users feed/train the AI too each time they use it, so free training data and labor for AI corps in the process.
Mirror Mondegreen
Second Life is as unique and versatile not just as a result of the Lindens, who built its still impressive framework, but largely due to the creativity of residents: real people just like you and I.
I have no interest in seeing, interacting with or consuming anything generated by an AI, much less one which was trained on the stolen art of people who will never be credited or compensated as businesses cutting corners try to use it to replace them.
To champion this theft and this soulless impression of vibrant human creativity would be a slap in the face to every artist who poured themselves into this platform.
Please take a hard stand against it, and support the hard work of your inworld communities.
Yistin Usher
I don't think AI is desirable within SL.
In my experience, the bot flag is not set by many bot operators; for several bots, I cannot detect it.
And that means that sooner or later we will no longer know whether our counterpart is an AI or a human being.
Is that really what you want? Party too boring, let's add a few AI guests. Too few visitors at the location? A few AI bots solve the problem.
Is that what we, the users, want?
AI is the hot crap of the time, it has to go everywhere, right down to the toaster and toilet bowl. That's exactly how it went with Cloud and “Aepp.” Does that have to be the case?
A clear no from me
sarahjayjay Resident
A good creator does not need AI or photoshop. I am VERY wary of those who use it and won't purchase from them. It is quite obvious when it is used. False advertising, imho. Should a creator wish to use this in the ad, then please state so. Please let us know the hair was photoshopped, skin was lightened, etc. As stated, previously, a good creator will never have to 'doctor' a photo. When I joined SL, I purchased a skin from an ad. The ad read to achieve the desired look in the photo use x,y,z. I purchased x,y,z and looked nothing like the ad. I was told the ad is a representation of how you COULD look. Oh really? You took 3k from me after your ad stated I was going to look like that. I know plenty of others who have had same experience. There should be consequences for those designers who fail to produce a product, as shown on the ad. Recently, I have been seeing ads, from a few designers, stating AI was used on the photo. To those, a huge thank you! However, as I am thankful for your honesty, I am, also, wary as to WHY it was needed in the first place.
Tycho Beresford
I think AI has the potential to be a wonderful addition to Second Life. Viable agentic AI is just around the corner and will make our rich, vibrant world even better.
Nerxual Oh
Tycho Beresford Gen Ai no. AI itself, that depends. Gen AI harms the planet, kills jobs and everyone's livelihoods. Curse at google search and educate yourself on why 80%+ of the world hates gen ai. We can not kill the platform and our only planet we live on
Devilgrey Resident
finally getting an Ai-roundtable. make sure to submit your concerns to the lidens here too
VanessaChristy Resident
A recent Primfeed poll showing 2010 user votes.
Primfeed is neutral since AI is allowed and should be seen as a good example of the overall view of AI
Dana Enyo
I figure all I can really do is draw my own line on "creating with AI." And I draw it as far over as I can: I will not knowingly use AI content or tools for anything I create in any medium (like writing this comment, for example). I've put that statement on the home page of my Website. That "knowingly" is important, because I know it's going to be buried deeply more and more in the software and tools that we use; fortunately, my ancient Photoshop still requires everything to come from inside me.
Oh, and if I come upon ANY AI bot in SL, I block it immediately.
Nerxual Oh
A heads up y'all. reuters just made an article about LL using OUR data for their sloppy ai. No surprise there. They pulled a move like meta; facebook/intsagram/tiktok/pininterest.
"Second Life (Linden Lab): This virtual world platform faced the challenge of providing personalized support to its vast and diverse user base. Qurrent's AI workforce was deployed to augment the human support & product teams, handling complex inquiries and freeing up human agents to focus on their core competencies. The AI agents were trained on a massive dataset of user interactions, enabling them to understand the nuances of the virtual world and provide tailored responses. This resulted in improved customer satisfaction, increased community engagement, and a more cohesive experience."
Which we all know ai like chatgpt can't make anyone happy. AI bots hallucinate, can't form their own opinions, get details wrong pretty fast, typing up long paragraphs that make little sense.
MaxThunderhooves Resident
So this is why support ghosted my ticket half year ago.
Philip Linden
Nerxual Oh I mentioned in the Town Hall as well: This article refers to the Feedback tool... feedback.secondlife.com. Qurrent trained on the public feedback and jira articles, not on any in-world data. The AI reads new bug and feature entries and tries to find similar ones... a task humans can't perform.
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