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Eydothea Resident
Block feature shoud go both ways. If, for example I block someone, I see them gray, but they are still able to see me. The purpose of blocking someone is to keep them out of our lives. If they can still see us, then this block is half achieved purpose. It should go both ways. If one block someone then both avatars should be gray. I have a friend that blocked someone and he can still see her and follow her in her usual spots. She sees the view crosses fixed on parts of her body even though he is blocked. This is making her uncomfortable and should not be allowed. Blocked people should not be able to see the person that blocked them. Thank you
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If you block someone, they cannot see what your avatar looks like or follow you on the same sim
Verxen Resident
If you block someone, they cannot see what your avatar looks like or follow you on the same sim
rottweiler Lednev
This is a good idea that requires no thought process to see its the answer to less liability. Vr Chat already solved this issue and the solution was both users when one blocks one the pair are completely gone from each others chat view voice. Both sides should not see a grey box or anything other then nothing. This limits PTSD stress and liability giving a users the right to a safe space and to control there safe space.
Naroc Resident
okay so for one blocking does not alert the other person unless they message you which means in group settings you can block people doing stuff in public and they will never know hence avoiding drama, your idea would mean they know you have blocked them just by seeing your avatar suddenly go grey, also easy solution for your friend disable look at cross hairs seriously she only knows someone is looking at her cuss she can see the viewing cross hairs, just disable the ability to see cross hairs and she can get on with her day she is litrally letting a setting she can disable cause her discomfort.
ScrapBot01 Resident
if I'm a combat region and I block them to make myslef invisible to them that would destroy the combat region
Extrude Ragu
I think this is a
terrible
idea.SOCIAL ISOLATION:
It enables a new form of social exclusion, whereby two or more people can block a user to isolate them from being able to participate with a group.
This will turn all town square environments into toxic environments where having the wrong opinions can get you excluded.
It will have a chilling effect on the ability to exchange ideas and speak freely in Second Life.
ADMINISTRATION HEADACHE:
Somebody who wants to cause trouble can block the sim administrator. Now the admin has no idea they are causing trouble for other guests.
In general I think this ability does more HARM than good for Second Life's social environment, and is likely to lead to a much more toxic culture.
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Choosing to cover your own ears is a personal choice. As is choosing where you hang out and with whom.
Choosing to cover someone else's ears is not a personal choice. You are taking away someone else's natural abilities. It is oppressive and abusive in and of itself.
Draco Seraphim
Extrude Ragu as someone who has personally been stalked by someone in SL, filled out multiple abuse reports and LL doing nothing, I'd be super happy if they ceased to exist entirely. Especially when they use deeded objects to still harass you to bypass the block feature.
Lucia Nightfire
Izzatooona Enthusiast
Agreed 100% - anyone harassing others should be stopped from seeing their victim, their victim's chat, their entire ability to interact with their victim (even at a distance). In other words, I don't even believe a criminal should even be able to open their victim's profile. It should END completely, no exceptions. Harsh, I know, but all too often in this world lately do we see criminals getting special treatment while victims are left to the ongoing victimization. Enough is enough. LL. Please END this madness.
Isobel DeSantis
Izzatooona Enthusiast I'm not at all sure that all or even most people blocked have been "harassing" others or victimising them. You even call them "criminals", but you actually have no idea why they might have been blocked. You're assuming that residents block others for logical, rational reasons. Highly unlikely. This is SL.
Izzatooona Enthusiast
Isobel DeSantis Um, I don't care why someone is blocked. Criminals, vicitims, abusers, harrassers, griefers, I am not usually a label person - but the fact remains - if someone is being blocked (if it's intentional and not some stupid system glitch), then they have no business with that person again. Profile should not load, text should not appear, and voice should not be heard. That is my opinion. Thank you for yours.
Jerrod Diavolo
Izzatooona Enthusiast You are completely ignoring that the ability to block could be weaponized itself to stalk someone or evade moderators or admins of a place since it is not just available to people you consider victims but also to those you consider perpetrators.
ladiablesse100bc Resident
The problem with this kind of 'block' is twofold.
One: By 'turning yourself invisible' you've just created a handy means to get around security orbs or other scripted objects that rely on detecting your presence. Every object in world has an owner, and if you block the owner, their objects are also blocked. So, for this reason, it's a non-starter simply because the LSL detection code would have to be completely rewritten to not be exploitable in this manner.
Two: Say I'm a griefer who wants to cause trouble, but there's a couple of moderators that always seem to get the drop on me as soon as I show up. If I block them, now they cannot see what I'm doing to provoke their guests, and no amount of complaining will help - until I unblock them, they cannot interact with me at all.
In general, SL should only allow you to moderate your own experience; you block and derender specific people, so that they can't talk to you and you can't see them. If we do the opposite, where a block derenders you to the blocked person (or people), you're imposing a restriction on other people beyond just being ignored - you're affecting their experience directly. That's not how these things are supposed to work. Plus, there's the above safety and privacy concerns.
Izzatooona Enthusiast
ladiablesse100bc Resident I have to disagree with you on a few points. I'm sorry. You posted this publicly, however, so you have opened yourself up to others' comments. One: if you DID turn yourself invisible to a person you muted - then that is the ONLY person that won't see you. So your argument about security orbs is moot. Security Orbs will still "see" you because that detection is not visual, it's scripted - you can't avoid orbs. Two: If a griefer mutes the moderators - well, for one, again, scripted detection systems don't care if they can "visually" see you, because they cannot. They operate via scripted functions. So, if a moderator wants you gone, it's very simple. They don't need to see you. As for doing stuff to irritate others and can't be seen doing it - the griefer is still visible on radar - you can be completely invisible but your movement can still be tracked. Therefore, if you were were bumping into someone like the invisible man just to bother folks, you will still get booted. And, likely banned if it's a harassment issue. And, finally, you said "In general", SL should only allow you to moderate your own experience. You claim that imposing a restriction on "other people beyond just being ignored", you're affecting their experience directly. You clearly are one of those who advocates for criminals and not the victims. A person who is blocked should NOT be allowed to interact with their victim in anyway. Think court ruling saying "you are not to have any contact with so and so, you must stay away by certain # of feet, etc." Life is not fair sometimes, but keep in mind that if you are criminal, you should not have the right to continuously harass your victim. I suggest you change your thinking on this. Cordially. End of the line is this: If a griefer wants to be a griefer, take away their ability to see their victim(s), remove their ability to see your chat, and make them what they are: USELESS.
ladiablesse100bc Resident
Izzatooona Enthusiast Explain how an object whose OWNER has been blocked (effectively derendering you to them and to all their stuff) can then 'see' you. It can't. It uses the owner's permissions.
Izzatooona Enthusiast
ladiablesse100bc Resident By using scripting - for example, the following LSL functions can still be used in the same region as the person muted to see if they are present, see their position inside the region, etc. I use these functions as a proximity alert: llSensor, llGetAgentList, llGetObjectDetails, but keep in mind that once someone's online status is no longer available to you (since 2012 I think), online detection via script is impossible. If I am incorrect, please feel free to correct me.
ladiablesse100bc Resident
Izzatooona Enthusiast The key is the "online status" which I believe is part and parcel of being blocked. Thus if I were to block a parcel owner so they couldn't interact with me, their objects can no longer tell if I'm online much less present on the parcel. That's the crux of the technical problems with this kind of block mechanic, whereas the existing mechanic (blocking someone hides you from them) only affects your own objects and not theirs. I do know that vendor systems like Caspervend do not function if you block Casper - they can no longer deliver to you or see when you're online to ask if you're ready for a delivery.
Izzatooona Enthusiast
ladiablesse100bc Resident I can't debate this further. I've given you all I know. I hope you can now take that info and do your own research for claification. Thank you, have a nice day.
prissypaw Aldrin
the purpose of blocking some one is to filter your perspective not intended to be used as a shunning tool, if look at beacon bother you turn them off because look at beacon can be triggerd by chat, the person blocked will still be able to follow you because they can see a grey jellydoll, especialy immedately after you interact with them then block them you still exist in the same space.
Holocluck Henly
Agreed.
In those cases where there's aggression, particularly from someone not right in the head, even if they are blocked your appearance or chat could well inspire them.
I had a problem several years ago w/some blocked sociopath who I
guess
saw a chat post or notice in a mutual inworld group & started in again by proxy when someone I barely knew came after me with some fictional accusation.The less these aggressors are inspired the better, and there's nothing that inspires them more than seeing you not suffering. Take us out of the equasion and you solve most of that.
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