Increase in avatar concurrency on Homestead islands
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Count Burks
Homestead islands cost around half the amount of a full region. Full regions allow for up to 110 concurrent users while Homestead islands offer a meager 20 visitors. And 5 extra ones which have to be premium.
This often causes frustration with Homestead island owners as these people pay a hefty amount for their tier per month but when they have a party or event their friends often cannot teleport to their land.
The proposal would be to increase user concurrency on a Homestead island to 40 avatars at the same time instead of the 20 or 25 and get rid of the 5 premium visitor rule.
However there would be a hard limit for scripted agents of 5 or 10 on the region to avoid abuse or exploits of region resources.
I think profit margins on Homestead islands are plenty for Linden Lab to offer people this increase in concurrency for their islands.
Second Life is a social platform but if Linden Lab makes it so hard for people to have an event or party on their Homestead this doesn't help much to build up a community.
Linden Lab always seem to be giving more group slots etc... I think the big paying customers who have a Homestead should get more concurrency so they can have a party or event.
I get complaints from people they are not pleased their friends cannot attend their parties and I don't think this should be the case in this day and age. Especially for a platform that needs to keep its users.
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Toothless Draegonne
You also have a 5ms script cap, which gets hit with alarming regularity as-is. Can you imagine the "performance" of people's HUDs, AOs and other active objects in a homestead if there were 30 people in it?
That and Mainland regions, which are full regions, are limited mostly to 40 people for a reason. To cope with 100 people, a region has to be incredibly well-crafted and with people in it that are incredibly lightly scripted. How well do you think a 5ms-capped Homestead-class region with 30* 25MB-500-script fat wobbling fashionistas is going to perform?
Honestly if you wanted to actually get more people into the platform, dropping land costs
at least
in half and making event-class regions cost what it currently costs for a 20-30K full-class would be more like it. But I doubt that would happen either.Count Burks
Toothless Draegonne Did I speak about 100 people? The proposal asks for a small increase from the current 25 allowed agents in the region to 40 agents in the region and to get rid of the 5 premium rule. The idea is not that Homestead islands become heavy traffic club regions or anything like that. The purpose is allowing Homestead owners a bit more freedom and flexibility to USE their island for their social activities and Roleplay events when needed.
Toothless Draegonne
Count Burks I'm not sure if you read what I was saying. Homestead-class regions already struggle when full. 20-30K regions are frequently manually limited to 40, 50 or so max people because running events with 100 people in is asking for trouble.
Please, spend more time in Homestead-class sandboxes when there are more than a handful of people in, doing more than just standing in one place and throwing gestures. That or in a full 20K region with 40 people in while a party is kicking off. It may be an eye-opener for you, as far as just how awful server performance would be if a Homestead-class region would have that same 40 people.
Lucifera Morningstar
Doing away with the 5 premium visitor rule will be an unconditional non-starter with LL - it's part of the value of having a premium membership in the first place. However, I do agree that there should be more than 20...I think 30 to 35 at minimum, and maybe 7,500 prims to make it more usable and desirable.
Count Burks
Is the Second Life userbase growing or declining? The answer is it is declining.
What is the 5 Premium Member rule? In essence it is a charge to pay to enter a region.
When you have a declining userbase on your platform is it a good idea to charge a pay to enter fee? No.
The entire idea behind the increase in concurrency to 40 users is to make it equal to a mainland region and to just allow the owners of a Homestead to be able to do their Roleplay, to build their community to have their party and invite their friends.
Get rid of the 5 premium pay wall. A pay wall serves no purpose on a platform that needs to gain users.
I did not ask for 7500 prims either as that would be a 50% prim increase and then you get into the competing with full sims, half of full sims, and 1/4 of a region with boosted prims and that is also not the idea.
In the past there has been an increase on Homestead regions from 3750 to 5000 so now bring that 5000 to 6250. A bit more prims which will be welcome and also a higher concurrency.
I am not proposing drastic adjustments which would cause issues on the Land Market. I propose this to eliminate frustrations Homestead users experience with their regions.
This would not disturb the Land Market. Homestead owners with more prims can decorate more so they will purchase a bit more content. It would not cost much for Linden Lab and with a small increase in tier for new Homesteads they would cover that cost.
This is a measure to aid Second Life users to have a better experience with the product they pay almost 150 USD for.
Moo Boo
Then there'd be no reason to pay double for a regular region / to buy land at mainland, so LL won't do it.
Consider this option tho:
- Allow up to 20 visitors + an additional 20 premium visitors
That way there'd still be money in circulation and more of an insensitive to buy premium. it would go perfectly hand-in-hand with the already existing ability for premium+ members to pay for land inworld using L$. And because it's limited to an increase in premium users only it'd help keep a homestead as a "home" rather than open up for larger commercial possibilities.
Count Burks
Moo Boo
A full region has 20000 or 30000 prims and not 6500 prims. One land option offers 5 times the Land Impact volume compared to the 6500 prims I am proposing. You cannot really compare the two like that.
The user concurrency increase is intended to stop blocking social activities on Homestead regions as it is currently the case, but also to make the product a bit more attractive again.
Linden Lab charges around 145 (tax included) for such an island per month.
145 USD for 5000 prims and a strict limit on visitors.
It is hard to have a Roleplay event; a party; wedding; social event when your guests are getting blocked off like that on an private region for which you pay near 150 USD.
Mark Legendary
I too have complaints about the offering on Homesteads and the prims is the biggest one that most people are unhappy with, my post is here and currently tracked, but hoping that they will implement a change to Homestead regions and a small increase on avatar count would be good too! - https://feedback.secondlife.com/ldpw/p/homestead-upgrade
Count Burks
I would also recommend to add a small prim increase from 5000 prims to 6250 prims as people often struggle with their prim allowance on their Homestead. Then adjust your price from 109 to 115 for the NEW Homestead regions you offer for sale. You will make your product more attractive and it will not cost you anything.
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Mark Legendary
Count Burks We would hope for 7500 prims if an increase to $115 was to happen.
Count Burks
Mark Legendary That would be a 50% prim increase and 100% higher concurrency and it would compete with 1/4th of a 30000 prim region Mark. So for 6 USD more there is no reason to get into that in my opinion. If you receive 1250 more prims + higher concurrency I think that would be fair for now. You also need to think about mainland regions, what their cost is and what they offer.
I think with 7500 prims on a Homestead there would be too much migration taking place and it would impact the land market, which needs to be avoided.
The idea is to allow people to have their events and to make the Homestead product a little bit more attractive with some extra prims without disturbing or impacting the land market. The 6 USD is to compensate Linden Lab for their resources. It is a win for both the user and Linden Lab.