The Marketplace, original stores and original products visibility
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Anna Timmerman
Yesterday I got a message from someone in SL to check https://feedback.secondlife.com/web-features/p/limited-quantities-not-showing-in-search because I was mentioned there.
Last year in August I started a petition for a Marketplace fix because my store was burried under +600 Fapple 4 years old gacha items by gacha resellers.
II initiated the petition because, following a survey, it became evident that many people were unaware of the option to check the box 'Do not see Limited Quantities and my numerous tickets got 0 attention.
I stopped making and selling gacha 4 years ago, after illigaly copied full sets of my gachas were selling on the marketplace, copied with an unfixable restart sim glitch that persists to this day. That Marketplace Store sold more gachas than the actual stores he copied.
Moreover, I often receive messages regarding listings that are scams, such as empty boxes or non-rare items labeled as rare, thinking I am the customer service for those items, which understandably dampens the experience.
Do I want gachas gone? No, everyone is free to do as they like, and I think they should be as searchable as any other product.
What I asked help for is, if people look for my store they would at least see an original product on the first page.
Should the Search term 'Fapple' bring up (today) 198 reseller 4 year old Fapple items before the new items I make and my actual store?
As the sole creator of those items, the one who makes the meshes and textures from scratch, pays for the uploads, pays for the software I use to make those items in (Photoshop and Maya), I wanted to at least see my store pop up for people who look for it.
Did I have great sales in the MP this week because suddenly the Limited Quantities box was unchecked? Of course not, there is more wrong with our Marketplace than just that.
I'm very lucky with the support of my loyal in-world customers, who I rely on for sales.
I ask for your grace. I initiated this petition in 2023 not to cause harm or exclude anyone, I wanted help with my and many other original creators issue. The recent changes to the Marketplace likely have no correlation with my petition from nine months ago. It's unacceptable to slander my name online or send hate messages in-world. Let's maintain a respectful and constructive dialogue.
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@Sntax Linden
I kindly request Linden Lab to consider giving creator store's ๐ค๐ง๐๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ก ๐ฅ๐ง๐ค๐๐ช๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ข๐ค๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐ง๐ค๐ข๐๐ฃ๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฎ ๐จ๐๐๐ง๐๐ ๐ง๐๐จ๐ช๐ก๐ฉ๐จ vs gacha resellers
Additionally, ๐ฅ๐ก๐๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ๐๐ฃ๐ฉ ๐๐๐ก๐ฉ๐๐ง๐จ ๐๐ฉ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ค๐ฅ would greatly benefit customers, ensuring they can easily find what they're looking for.
Furthermore, it would be helpful to ๐จ๐๐๐ง๐๐ ๐๐ค๐ง ๐จ๐ฉ๐ค๐ง๐๐จ/๐๐ง๐๐๐ฉ๐ค๐ง ๐ฃ๐๐ข๐๐จ ๐๐ฉ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ค๐ฅ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ก๐ก ๐๐๐ก๐ฉ๐๐ง๐จ ๐๐ฃ๐จ๐ฉ๐๐๐ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ฃ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ง๐๐ฃ๐ฉ ๐ฉ๐๐.
And for all the gacha resellers, move the Limited Quantity/Demo checkbox to the top and get rid of 'do not see'
Your consideration of us, the original creators, who invest significant time and resources into making Second Life the vibrant world it is today, would be greatly appreciated.
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Yeya Zuta
I didn't go through all the responses in this feature request but if I want to find your store I only see one (1) result
PrettyMiracle Resident
Thanks, fixed
PrettyMiracle Resident
Hello again everyone
Iโm not writing on business, but since this ticket is popular, perhaps this information will be useful to you, and LL will read it. I noticed that the items being sold are no longer moving anywhere. They are not relevant, not in the best sales. I'm not even talking about the entire market. I'm talking about a personal store. Always, if a product was sold several times, it was updated and sold better. It is strange that it is stuck in some moment of the past. Pay attention to all your stores and LL. If you look at the entire market as a whole, only a few stores actually filled it. The rest, like the shops, says Anna Timerman, are buried. I can't believe this store sells the same items over 100 times every day and there's a whole page of them.
PrettyMiracle Resident
Cheaters
Anna Timmerman
PrettyMiracle Resident exactly! Yesterday I tried to find Little Branch, a store that sells trees and flowers and garden items (no filters used). There was only 1 page of items showing up and Little Branch wasn't even in it. I could only find it by going to Store tab and search for it. The search results seem to get even more insane than they already were. Many stores now use 1 word for their items, like Chair, Bed and the one you point out Outfit and those get rewarded the top results. If they can't fix the search engine, perhaps it is best for LL to get a new one, there a few good open source ones (like TypeSense) available if investing is a problem.
PrettyMiracle Resident
Anna Timmerman
This is very sad. Iโm glad that the goods are no longer frozen, but go to current and popular ones. You also need to ask to return the search by nickname. My friends can't find the store. It used to be convenient. Doesn't work now.
seryu Bachem
In a turn of events it now appears that the blame for everything that is wrong in the market lies with the resellers. Let me say that this community that I am part of was the one that for years supported many creators, making their sales grow.
and their brands and products have more visibility, we were faithful to those creators and we will continue to be because we know that the prosperity of some has an impact on others, because we know that including is better than excluding, because when I said previously that there should not be first-class citizens and second-class citizens so that it will lead us to reflect, what type of community do we want to be part of? I am going to be very clear about this and I hope that my message goes deep and is understood, when we start to discriminate, exclude, stop encouraging, sooner or later there will be no one left to negotiate with, now it will be us, tomorrow God will say.
seryu Bachem
In a turn of events it now seems that the fault of everything that is wrong in the market is the fault of the resellers. Let me say that this community, of which I am a part, was the one where, for years, they supported many creators, making their sales grow.
and their brands and products have more visibility, we were faithful to those creators and we will continue to be so because we know that the prosperity of some affects others, because we know that including is better than excluding, because when I said before that there should be no first-class citizens and second-class citizens to lead us to reflection, what kind of community do we want to be part of? I will be very clear about this and I hope that my message goes deep and will be understood, when we start to discriminate, exclude, stop encouraging, sooner or later there will be no one left to negotiate with, now it will be us, tomorrow God will say
PrettyMiracle Resident
I don't see anything good in Anna Timerman's desire to succeed. She wages war and sets sellers and resellers against each other. This ticket needs to be closed and a truly worthy and useful one opened, which will contain all the suggestions for improving the marketplace. It was proposed in advance to add several more categories with new names so that Anna would sell her original new products. And for Gacha, enter all existing categories into which the product will be sorted. The GACHA folder contains categories - clothes, shoes, hair, furniture and so on. I think they will move all their full costumes to the costume category - GACHA category.
seryu Bachem
Anna tries to create a confrontation that never existed or opened between creators and resellers, enough of hatred and resentment that do not lead to anything good, enough of looking for a common enemy to calm your envy, live and let others live in peace.
Anna Timmerman
๐ ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ผ๐น๐ผ๐ด๐ถ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ผ ๐ฎ๐น๐น ๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐ ๐๐ผ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ต๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ผ ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐น ๐๐ถ๐๐ต ๐ฟ๐๐ฑ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ถ๐๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐๐ณ๐๐น ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐.
๐จ๐ป๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐น๐, ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ ๐ป๐ผ ๐บ๐ผ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป, ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ผ ๐ณ๐น๐ฎ๐ด ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐, ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐น๐ผ๐ผ๐ธ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐บ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ป๐๐ฒ ๐๐ผ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐๐ผ๐ป๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ณ๐๐น ๐ถ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ด๐ต๐๐!
๐๐ฒ๐'๐ ๐ธ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฝ ๐๐ป๐ถ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฒ๐ณ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ฎ ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ธ๐ฒ๐๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฒ ๐๐ถ๐๐ต ๐ถ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ฆ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ณ๐๐ป๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป, ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ป๐ฒ๐ณ๐ถ๐๐ ๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฏ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ฑ๐๐ฐ๐๐!
๐ฌ๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐๐๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐ ๐ถ๐ ๐ด๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐๐น๐ ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ! ๐ง๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ธ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ผ ๐บ๐๐ฐ๐ต! โฅ
PrettyMiracle Resident
Anna Timmerman
PrettyMiracle Resident
Anna Timmerman
Anna, you write in bold, which the translator does not translate. I use Google Translator to translate, but it doesn't accept your fat cries. ))) Write in a normal font so that you can be understood.
seryu Bachem
Anna Timmerman
PrettyMiracle Resident
Hello again everyone. I got the impression that Anna Timmerman was a little sick. You need to see a doctor. Don't you read the comments? Anna ? I'm turning to you. Once again I received a letter written by you. You are spreading your nonsense all over the world. Stop spamming! Creators! Even those who simply switched to copies and abandoned the so-called gacha. Are you hoping that the resale of your items will be banned? Why did you sell GACHA? Why did you take money from us? Didnโt you know that your GACHA would go on the market and be sold by other people and flood the market? You all knew and agreed! I once again invite you to think before you leave your voice under this crazy thought written by Anna, who is not thinking about you. She only thinks about herself. She wants her store to be number one, and with your votes she will drive you to hell. Do you realize that there are 1000 or more sellers on the market, in addition to resale? and your store will still not be the first. I understand such a request from such famous brands as LeLUTKA or Reborn. They are having a sale and they donโt need to write such letters. She wants to crawl out with her unclaimed things that are worth pennies and think that she will sell better? GACHA does not interfere with your sales, because you create other models. Start creating something original that will be in demand. Sales will begin when you start advertising your products and paying bloggers or advertising on Marketplace.
Enough! STOP!
I urge all those who are against Anna Timermanโs statements and added their voice by mistake to remove their voice. Although I hope that LL will treat this request more prudently than last time. I think many here support those who are against this nonsense. Calm down in the world already and stop spamming private messages. Today you are not the only one who has no sales. No one has them. Be patient . This is such a period.
TessaPaige Jupiter
PrettyMiracle Resident I completely understand your frustration and want you to know that your concerns and opinions have been heard loud and clear by everyone reading this thread. Improving the Marketplace search is a shared goal, and your feedback is crucial to making that happen.
However, I've noticed that some of your comments have veered into personal attacks against Anna and have heavily focused on Gachas. While it's important to express your concerns, let's all keep the discussion centered on the broader issues rather than personal criticisms.
I also understand that English may not be your first language, so it's possible that the translation of your text may be coming off as more blunt than intended.
By working together respectfully, we can make meaningful improvements. We need to channel our energy into constructive feedback to enhance the Marketplace for everyone, rather than focusing on specific groups such as resellers. This avoids creating an "us versus them" situation and helps us achieve our common goal. That is my 2 cents :)
PrettyMiracle Resident
TessaPaige Jupiter
I completely agree. I don't want to offend anyone. There must be enough room in the market for everyone. But she continues to spam private messages all over SL. I thought this topic would be closed. She is the one who attracts attention to the Gacha, because her goods are buried under her. I'm sorry that her store is buried and this shows that she no longer creates new things, but just wants to sell old things that have already buried her store)) I agree to the improvement. But probably not on this ticket) Many people write the right things. Continue. Lead us and we will follow you.
PrettyMiracle Resident
This came to me again today)
Anna Timmerman
PrettyMiracle Resident why all the lies? I never met you, never talked to you in world. Stop harassing me, please!
PrettyMiracle Resident
Anna Timmerman
If you did not transmit them personally, then they are distributed on your initiative by other people. From the first day you amaze me) You initiated the closure of thousands of stores, caused damage to them and pretend as if you did nothing) and that it was not your fault)) I provided a screenshot of your signature and you are the creator. Your letters are going viral all over the SL with a call for actions that will harm many people. You must understand that you are doing evil and correct your mistake yourself by deleting this ticket. Didn't you understand the first time? I asked you a question in SL
When many stores closed and there was no GACHI, did your sales increase?
Answer here honestly in front of everyone) You donโt understand that you donโt need to kill, but find a solution. Itโs not Gachaโs fault that your store is buried. Make suggestions useful for everyone on the Marketplace and we will all support you. But donโt play the role of a killer by focusing on destroying one of the areas that brings profit to everyone.TessaPaige Jupiter
Finger pointing and blaming won't solve the problem. Creators of no copy content, such as art, breedables, and the former gachas now miepon, Nextup, followup, fairplay, play Pad, etc and resellers, deserve just as much visibility on the marketplace as creators of copyable content. The real issue is the updated system implemented last year, which has negatively impacted MP sales across the board.
As a community of business professionals in Second Life, we need to unite and request Linden Lab to revert the search system to its previous version of ElasticSearch or improve on the updated version. I believe the new search algorithms have changed the relevance and ranking of items, pushing previously top-listed products down and reducing their visibility. While ElasticSearch offers robust search capabilities and better handling of complex queries, it has led to more precise but narrower results, making it harder for users to find a broad range of items and impacting sales.
During the transition, indexing issues may have caused some listings to be missed or miscategorized, further reducing visibility and sales. Additionally, technical glitches, such as incorrect search results, slow performance, or downtime, could have negatively affected user experience and sales.
To improve the current search functionality, IT professionals can enhance search parameters by incorporating more nuanced filters (e.g., "original creators," "original mesh," "unique items") that can help users find creations more easily. Perhaps, introduce sections such as "Rising Stars," "Hidden Gems," and "Artisan's Corner" to regularly showcase new and original creations. Implementing machine learning algorithms to analyze search patterns and optimize results based on user behavior can further improve the relevance and accuracy of search outcomes.
Let's stand together and advocate for these changes to ensure all creators and resellers can thrive on the marketplace.
Angelic Aura
TessaPaige Jupiter I agree with this. It is well thought out and mindful. We do need to all truly stand together on this to create some changes that benefit all of us as we are all part of the community. I feel that there has to also be a tutorial on how to use MP filters because it seems there are many residents who seem to have no idea how it works to get the results they are looking for. I would prefer to unify rather than be pitted against one another.
TessaPaige Jupiter
Angelic Aura everyone can vote here for a banner with a link to a tutorial: https://feedback.secondlife.com/web-features/p/create-a-banner-with-links-to-mp-search-tutorial
Angelic Aura
TessaPaige Jupiter This is a great idea! Some people who commented on this thread could use a feature like this! It would be beneficial for all. Creators, resellers and shoppers! I think this is something that everyone on this thread can stand behind!
seryu Bachem
I would like to take the opportunity to remind you that June 1st marks the start of a new edition of the arcade, let's support all the creators, as it is always a joy to enjoy this traditional event.
Anna Timmerman
seryu Bachem ๐๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ ๐
๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ค๐ฒ ๐๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ๐ฌ, ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ซ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ญ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ญ ๐๐๐ง ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ๐, ๐จ๐ง๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ ๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ง ๐๐ฐ๐๐ฒ. ๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ค๐๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ข๐๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ฅ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐๐ค๐ ๐ข๐ญ ๐๐จ๐ฐ๐ง. ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ฌ, ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐๐จ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ฆ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ. ๐๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐๐๐$! ๐๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ ๐
๐๐๐!
seryu Bachem
Sorry, it will be a pleasure to take it back, in fact I'm going to resend it to you so you know that I'm not going to sell it. That's if you tell me in the thread if you have it in your inventory.
seryu Bachem
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